We should celebrate their success because its events like this that create the motivation for some of us to go create something that "stands on their shoulders" or competes with them or creates some new paradigm of how tasks can be managed. Fog Creek is almost the ultimate startup - they keep it small, do things right, stick to their craft. What is the result? Regularly bring fantastic products to the world. Anybody contemplating how to get setup and run a software startup should start by reading most/all of joelonsoftware and then the later blogs about SO and Trello.
Yes Im huge fan - because i applaud geeks that put heart and soul into their craft as well as running their business and getting great outcomes like this. Would love to see more of it.
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Not just JIRA; I think a lot of people were burnt by Atlassian's management of Hipchat or Bitbucket too.
Historically there's something of a track record where Atlassian is the place where interesting, innovative products go to stagnate. Bug fixes happen glacially (a 1 year turnaround seems to be standard), and new feature development doesn't happen at all. Running Hipchat is like looking through a window back at 2012.
> Very happy for the folks at Trello. Great outcome for a great tool.
Great outcome for a great team? Perhaps. But I don't really see how this benefits the tool, nor the people who use the tool, because I (and a lot of other people here) are assuming, with reason, that this deal heralds the end of further development of Trello.
Github moves really slow in comparison. I guess Github is more focused, but there are a lot of contrasts between Github and Atlassian, and in terms of making money I think Atlassian is doing a lot better.
Has Github acquired anything significant? Github should have acquired Zenhub (which is Trello integrated into Github for the most part) instead of slowing trying to recreate it -- although I guess Github has better code purity if they develop it themselves, but it means they move slower.
Logging in from multiple places has always been terrible. I'll be logged in on Mac and available but randomly get emails as if I'm offline. I'll be online on my phone and get e-mails. I wan't emails of messages when I'm actually offline and not logged in but HipChat doesn't seem to care and emails me anyways sometimes. The option to turn off email notifications isn't very configurable either. Its off or on.
Look at the release notes for windows and mac and search for reconnection. Just about every release has a fix for reconnecting going back to 2014.
https://www.hipchat.com/release_notes/mac https://www.hipchat.com/release_notes/windows
Ha, try using it in Linux!
edit: Yes right now there might not be an exact competitor but in a few years it could easily match everything Jira does.
I'd think Trello and Asana are much closer competitors. JIRA is like an over engineered spaceship with more features than anyone could learn in a lifetime. Comparatively Trello functions more like a Prius. Priuses and spaceships don't compete.
Trello covers a market that was not really served by any Atlassian products (or rather, market segments that weren't well treated).
Trello has a huge active following, and a lot of users who would otherwise not know Atlassian products.
Getting any sort of proper cross-selling going on would be great for their ecosystem long-term. People might start at Trello, but go to Atlassian products as their team scales and need other coordination tools.
I don't think you spend $425 million to kill a "competitor", especially when that competitor has a lot of paying customers anyways.
I feel like about 30% of all Github features have been released since the last major point release of Jira and Confluence, which themselves were buggy, poorly tested, crud as well.
How does Atlassian move "fast"? Has Atlassian done.... anything worth noting in the past 3 years?
In addition, Atlassian's services are spread out across many products, which can increase mobility. GitHub has only one product, so while they probably have many teams working on many features, there is still one product they can push releases to.
1. Trello was smart in only taking $10M in VC funding [1]. This allows for a 40x return for it's investors. If Trello were like many other startups, they probably would have taken too much VC money and got themselves in a situation where the VC wouldn't sell unless it was $2B+.
2. Atlassian now has a product that is loved by many developers and business people alike. It will easily be interegrated into their existing stack and it complements their products very well.
TLDR: Both Trello & Atlassian were smart in this acquisition. Couldn't be happier for them (and as a user).
Edit: typos
Trello wasn't "smart" for only taking $10M in funding (and only in one, late, round, which means it only gave away probably 20-30% equity.)
Trello happened to be spun off from an established company, which took care of financing initial product development and growth. This is equivalent to the founders financing maybe a $1.5M round and a $4M round from their own pocket.
Don't try to beat Trello's benchmark in funding strategy, unless you happen to be able to finance the first few rounds from your own pocket.
> 2. Atlassian now has a product that [.] will easily be interegrated into their existing stack and it complements their products very well.
Atlassian would be wise to keep this integration from being too tight. Trello shines as the most general project management tool out there (except maybe a spreadsheet, although that is the one thing I can't bear to do with a spreadsheet), and if it became a developer-centric collaboration tool I for one would probably stop using it, even for collaboration among developers.
Will it? i use both Bitbucket and Jira at work, and i'm constantly finding myself wondering how two products from the same org can work so poorly together. They use their products to market their other products, but as far as actually integrating things into a seamless experience it doesn't seem like that's atlassian's strength.
In many ways that will be a good thing though, trello will likely remain trello instead of becoming something else to fit atlassian's ecosystem.
I suspect Atlassian could easily create some Jira/Botbucket addons that would make Jira a very useful choice for some Trello users for a more structured backend.
Trello are an amazing team and an amazing product, and what makes the product so amazing is how domain-agnostic it is. They refuse at all costs to add any feature that helps use Trello in one specific way over others (e.g. lists = stages in task lifetime, cards = tasks; lists = assigned people, cards = tasks; lists = dates, cards = events, ...), and that made Trello equally useful as a Kanban board, a CRM, or for a beer microbrewery tracking its different barrels and the stages of brewing they are at. The best thing about Trello is when you start organizing your board one way, then organically drift towards a more natural way to organize them, sometimes without noticing as you do. Trello is for processes that you're not sure yet about the right way to manage.
Atlassian is all about development team collaboration. Trello can be used for that, but not anymore than it can be used for brewing beer. Trello shines when you don't know in advance how you will want to manage a project. If Trello became a dev collaboratin tool, I would stop using it for dev collaboration because there are better specialized solutions for that. Keep Trello general. Please.
I promise you Atlassian understands why Trello is so successful. You described Trello's core strength perfectly - and this one of the reasons they are committed to keeping it as a standalone service.
(disclaimer: I'm the CEO of Trello)
In meeting with Michael, and discussing how we could work together, Michael could not be more clear that Trello's success is predicated on is breadth and its appeal to many different use-cases.
This is most clearly displayed in their inspiration page, that includes many, many use-cases:
https://trello.com/inspiration
Scott, CEO Atlassian
Why, you ask? As a recently public company Atlassian knows it'll need to grow beyond developers if they want to continue growing at a healthy rate, and Trello offers that exactly. I believe that's why they paid such a hefty price for it.
It just wouldn't make sense to throw away all those users...
Why is that? Why does a company that is good at something NEED to expand beyond their area of expertise? Is is just me who sees this as American Capitalism™? Wouldn't it be better to try to make their products excellent and attract the many developers who are not using their suite? Why the always constant push to grow at any cost?
I'm saying this as someone who has been using Atlassian products for a while. They seem to focus on JIRA and Confluence only, and letting all the other products be 2nd or even 3rd class citizens. Why expand if you cannot keep the software that you already own up to date?
On the bright side, this might pave the way for a new product in this space, or some open-source tools which replicate the same basic funtionality.
Hopefully Atlassian can learn from what makes Trello so wonderful instead of JIRA-ifying it into oblivion.
Jira is so customizable and has so many features that it can be made into a sort of bureaucratic prison that's actively counter-productive for everyone except higher-level managers who just use it to generate countless reports. In the worst case, Jira can be used to institutionalize mistrust in employees/developers.
On the other hand, a minimal setup with kanban boards can feel a lot like Trello integrated into a bug database, which can work and scale quite well.
I will say that even a minimal installation of Jira can be overly complex for small teams of 2-5. This is where Trello can really shine.
If anyone here has ever been confused by the expression "damning with faint praise", I hope this is an illustrative example.
This my experience as well. What are people using that works so much better than JIRA?
JIRA has problems, but it's far better than any other project tracking/management tool I've tried. Managing projects (especially ones with large or multiple teams) is impossible without tools like this, and I haven't seen anything that makes the process painless.
If you have more than 5-10 people using each of your task boards, the problems may be more than any productivity tools can really fix.
Why would they JIRA-ify it? They would lose their audience who sought a JIRA alternative in the first place. From their blog post on the subject https://blogs.atlassian.com/2017/01/atlassian-plus-trello/ they seem to acknowledge this
I happen to use, and like, both products. JIRA at work (where I want a lot of the features) and Trello for personal/small group projects and even family/household stuff where I just need _simple_
They will kill trello so everyone is stuck with JIRA. Someone please make a trello clone with reasonable pricing, now!
And yet, Hipchat is a bloated, unreliable mess.
Edit: I guess you mean these three blurbs? http://web.archive.org/web/20160505012250/https://trello.com...
We've have been exposed to JIRA through external suppliers and that has been enough to make him on his edges now.
Personally I don't think much will change, at least in the first year or so until the contracts of the original developers lapse and they can move on to new things.
https://github.com/blog/2256-a-whole-new-github-universe-ann...
I would not expect wonderful things for Trello and thankfully it appears they got their money out up front.
My words of advice to anyone looking is to stay away from Atlassian at all costs. Once your in too deep you probably are trapped - which is what they count on.
Response: what a silly notion, no
Or another one I found recently: we'd like to comment on code that isn't within 10 lines of a changed file. You know, because one line change in file a can impact stuff elsewhere. Or even in another project but the chances of that happening are more slim than a tachyon hitting an atom as it passes through earth.
Response: Good idea, here's stuff we did this year, and here's other stuff we do. (aka the non committal middle finger)
It sucks because atlassian products are 80% of the way there, but the final 20% polish never seems to arrive. And its been years.
I really hate that we can't say yes to every feature suggestion, and what we _are_ able to talk about seems to come across as non-committal to some. The fact that a suggestion is open means we think it has merit too (we close "silly notions"), it then becomes a matter of priorities.
- Roger, Bitbucket Server PM
This was kind of my synopsis when I looked at implementing them back in 2009. My take was that they built out 80% of the platform and then expected the customers/users to build out the extra 20% for each other.
Trello, amazing because of it's small size and limited, elegant feature set. Atlassian, awful because they won't implement everything that their customers ask for. Oh and the only feature that you've pointed out that's missing, 2fa, it's not missing. It's been in place for literally years.
The open issue tracker that Atlassian maintains is there so that you can see things that they've said no to. You can actually dig in and find out if someone else has asked for a feature that you want. You can see, completely transparently, whether or not they might implement it. The things that Trello has been asked to build but has quietly and privately said no to? No where to be found (and reasonably so given comments like this one).
Using a companies transparency against them is gross. It shows a lack of empathy for the people who build these systems, the trade offs that they have to make and the responsible decisions they make to not implement every single feature request. JIRA is enterprise software, it's incredibly extensible and configurable. The fact that some people configure it poorly isn't entirely their fault (though sane defaults can solve for some of this problem). Trello is for small teams. It's compact and simple in ways that JIRA was never intended to be. The $425MM? That means Atlassian understands that Trello has captured a part of they didn't.
BitBucket has had 2FA since Sep 2015: https://blog.bitbucket.org/2015/09/10/two-step-verification-...
Do some research, unless your goal was to slander.
The actual content that's in Confluence though, much more portable than anything you're going to get out of another enterprise software vendor.
Read this article that Jordan Novet wrote. I know seeing is believing and you will have to wait and see, but I agree with everything Jay Simons says in this interview.
"During the interview, Simons took time to assure me that Atlassian wouldn’t ruin Trello." http://venturebeat.com/2017/01/09/atlassian-is-buying-my-bel...
(disclaimer: I'm the Trello ceo)
1-3 years down the road, it'll be a different story. It'll be unlikely that the executive team will stick around past whatever agreement they signed with Atlassian.
I'm skeptical. I've yet to see this work out with a company I worked at or followed (yes yes I know, Instagram but I never followed them so I wouldn't know how or if they've changed). I'm sure it can and has happened. But you have an uphill battle :)
The (Startup)ists made (Startup). And the (Startup)ists are going to
keep working on (Startup) at (Acq. Company). (Acq. Company) understands
that (Startup) is unique and beloved and they definitely do not
want to mess that up.
And... "Trellists?" They're just people.
Don't be that guy and spin a Jobs-esque reality distortion field.
If things were so perfect to begin with at Trello, you wouldn't be selling. The fact that you did indicates something needed changing.
You hope things won't change for the worse, as do your users, but assuring people that won't happen makes about as much since as guaranteeing you have the winning ticket for next week's lottery.
Because the obvious parallel is Hipchat, and while I know Hipchat has a lot of users and even fans still...well.
Being the anti-Jira is what made Trello great. If feels like Luke Skywalker just got bought by the Dark Side while claiming that nothing will change -- I'm still with the rebels.
I remain a happy trello user until that happens to your product as well!
Background:
I didn't find a competing product a good match for how I tried to use it, so I pitched that competition (your closest direct competition) on specific improvements (that they should make) but they didn't see my vision. (I was in touch with the CEO and exchanged a few messages back and forth.)
-> Do you have an email address I can forward the same thing to you to?
if you want to after reviewing my forwards you can reply by email. You can also reach out to me at my email in my profile. At the moment I don't use either Trello or them, anymore. (But I do use Atlassian products actually, which as you correctly state in this thread, are orthogonal.)
Thanks - I'd love to use specifically Trello products in the future.
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EDIT: Why would anyone downvote this? (Let alone 2 people now.) I didn't have trouble getting in touch with the competition... Since mhp is active in this thread I don't see the harm of asking. I could probably find it out myself but I'm not going to waste any more time on this, since it was a waste of time with the other CEO.
You can get a better wysiwyg wiki just by sharing a folder in Google Docs and having them link to each other. And I'd take Trello over "greenhopper" any day.
Pretty nice story if you care to read it.
All these negative comments and hand wringing about Trello being ruined sounds like whining entitlement.
Atlassian is a fabulously successful independently run company that you should be happy bought Trello.
For goodness sake all you haters in this thread make it sound like Trello was acquired by Trump Corporation or The Empire or something.
After that, SourceTree has been slowly starting to suck. It has a bunch of annoying new bugs that don't get fixed, now requires logging into Atlassian to use it on every machine you use, and has had almost no useful or compelling feature additions in recent years. It is basically a good indie app from several years ago, with the Atlassian taint slowly being applied to it.
I dont like Jira either but I do like bitbucket. I started using it back in the day because besides public hosting they also gave me free unlimited private repos and found it does everything I need.
If you compare SourceTree to other halfway modern git clients (like Tower or GitX-dev), oh boy does it suck! The layout is completely disorganized, the diffing is super lousy. It's slow. It sucks up lots of memory. It's literally the last GUI client I'd use before just going to the command line.
Yes, I often long back to the days when you could just put software on a floppy disk and be sure that it would never change. That this isn't practically possible anymore is one of the biggest downsides of the cloud.
At most, this is welcome news if they manage to integrate Trello with Jira somehow.
I have yet to use another ticket system for software development that is as decent to use as JIRA. I'm not saying I love it, but I've done my time with all the usual suspects and I CHOSE JIRA for my company. I found most people who have really hated JIRA for a good reason actually hated the borked workflow that their administrators put them into.
BitBucket has been a great private hosted Git repository for us, we have at least 150+ repositories- the addition of 'Projects' has adequately solved my biggest complaint.
Confluence is fine as far as intranet wikis go, the fact that it's somewhat integrated with JIRA and BitBucket makes it work fine. We tried using Google Pages- never again. Our documentation is easily discoverable and content authoring is easy. We don't try and run anything publicly so our use case is dead simple.
Hope to be wrong though!
I am far from expert when it comes to startups, their evaluations and acquisitions, but isn't >1million daily active users [1] not enough to make Trello a billion dollar unicorn? What Trello lacked to reach this? Is it all about the user count and it does not matter they pay or not or you have monetisation strategy or not?
We also used and liked Crucible (their code review tool), but it didn't yet offer some features of Gerrit that were very important to us, so we moved to Gerrit.
Luckily there are free software alternatives to trello you can self host that are not going to sell out such as wekan[1], taskboard[2], taiga[3], kanboard[4], ...
[1]: https://wekan.io/
[2]: https://taskboard.matthewross.me/
[3]: http://taiga.pm/
I like Jira but I understand why others aren't fond of it. I'd argue it completely depends on how you configure/use Jira. Administering it is annoying regardless though.
So I wonder if they are mostly aquiring the user base here in order to expand their potential market?
https://trello.com/b/gHooNW9I/ue4-roadmap
I know a lot of smaller dev teams use it for lowercase-a agile projects and I currently use it for all my personal projects. It's basically the antithesis of heavyweight tools like Jira.
What was your experience like?
I've yet to see a project manager or anyone outside hardcore development get anything positive out of at Asian products.
Their tools typically complicates everything to the point of slowing production by as much as 150% compared to projects where management is done with post it's on a board and physical meetings... I know because we did the business case, which today means we're actively avoiding companies that want to tunnel projects into things like JIRA.
I get that atlassian produce excellent tools for tracking development time so companies can bill me more precisely. Unfortunately the side effect is that everything gets produced slower, more expensively and ends up confusing the shit out of our project managers.
Jira and Confluence are epitomes of corporate red-tape molasses. Not only the process tends to get tangled to death in all the features everyone gets a bright idea to use, but even without them it wants just too much hardware.
A measly company of 30 ppl|3 years history and you're scratching your head to blood keeping the basic actions not taking more that 5 seconds while attempting to not pay 10x license cost for the hardware.
Too bad there aren't many alternatives.
And thank god I'm not using Trello. It's dead, people it's dead.
Edit: I guess the spinning-out doesn't say anything about ownership (though the article does say Trello did a round of funding after the spin-out)
Cloud: https://blog.bitbucket.org/2016/09/07/bitbucket-cloud-5-mill...
- Merge checks - Bitbucket Pipelines (Continuous delivery service in Bitbucket Cloud) - 2FA - Universal Second Factor (U2F) - Improved SSH - Support for multiple SSH keys - Build status API - Smart Mirroring - Git LFS (including the embedded media viewer only in Bitbucket Cloud which allows for better large file uploads) - Smart Commits (allow repository committers to process JIRA issues using commands in your commit messages) - reviewer status on pull requests - Code search (Server only currently) - 0 downtime backups - code review at commit level - default review in pull requests - pull request merge strategies - Deploy Bitbucket Data center with AWS - iterative reviews for pull requests - pull request focused dashboard - Bitbucket Connect add-ons (deploy from Bitbucket with AWS, Azure or Digital Ocean)
Restyaboard: http://restya.com/board (open source, self-hosted)
Phabricator Projects https://www.phacility.com/phabricator/projects/ (open source, self-hosted, or paid hosting)
Kanban: https://kanboard.net/ (open source, self-hosted, or paid hosting)
Wekan: https://wekan.io/ (open source, self-hosted)
And no doubt, lots more not listed here...
Then I remembered my difficulty with finding a proper to-do app. Yes, it will have millions of people make a clone, but it will also have thousands publishing crappy versions.
Spark Calital and Index Ventures must have gotten a nice huge return, Trello only raised $10 million.
Here's the migration docs: https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/Migrating-from-Trello
https://hn.algolia.com/?query=taiga.io&sort=byPopularity&pre...
Not many todo lists have millions of users, including some that pay actual money for the service. Having looked at many project management tools, Trello has absolutely nailed certain aspects of the user experience that many of the others get wrong. Try pasting an image into a card, for example.
It's not a perfect tool, but if you tried to recreate it yourself, you'd probably start to realize why they netted $450M.
I'm glad that now they've acquired another company, we have the opportunity to soon look forward to this.
>> We will continue operating as a standalone service, and we will continue to integrate deeply with all of the tools available out there that help people collaborate (and you can look forward to some great integrations with HipChat, Confluence and JIRA).
No, but many have been users of companies that ended their beatiful journey soon after being acquired.
I'm cautiously optimistic that Atlassian don't want to waste half-a-billion dollars.
https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2009/07/20/fruity-treats-cust...
From a strategic standpoint, selling Trello is probably a more favorable way for Spolsky and Pryor to raise $360 million in cash than through venture capital. In hindsight it's not implausible that the goal behind developing Trello was always to sell it off. Unlike StackOverflow, Trello has lots of competitors and it's value in is in integrating with the rest of a project's workflow. Essentially it's a commodity.
Anyway. Not sure why some people want to move away from Trello now. Is it that they don't want an identity connection between JIRA and Trello (SSO or similar)?
I had the same feeling of "oh well, what else can I use in the future" when I read this post.
About the topic: we used JIRA in my last job and it was not that bad. Curious to see what they are going to do with Trello.
> sometimes we have to make very painful choices and pass over some extraordinarily promising candidates.
Then I asked for feedback and the next reply from the recruiting team quoted this phrase.
They didn't give me any feedbacks for legal reasons (?).
Libre open source alternative.
Can be self hosted or self hosted from within Sandstorm
But, what was the $10mil of VC money used for?
Has Trello evolved since taking the money (features)?
Over $300mil in cash for kanban cards? Nice exit.
Google paid $1 billion for Youtube. It's now conservatively worth $50 billion.
That means they could have 50 large acquisitions go to zero and still be breakeven on their Youtube deal.
You can use the same economics for most deals.
(to say nothing about consolidating the large apps in this space -- maybe Asana is next on their list?)
I feel like Trello's focus has been on certain segments, not on the general public. The product, in many ways, has been heavily focused and as simple as possible. It kind of infuriates me I have like 4 chrome extensions installed that augments Trello with very basic features... but I kind of understand their mentality.
Kind of the opposite of most Atlassian's products. So this is an... interesting development.
They started with Jira Agile, which became Jira Software where you could plan agile sprints. Assuming this was the future i was a bit surprised to see Portfolio pop up, but i am assuming this project will be shut down at some point in favor of a new Trello for Jira? Or?
We currently bought Softwareplants BigPicture & BigPicture Enterprise, but also played with TempoTeam Planner.
I see both Trello and Atlassian's CEO being here, please let you loyal customers know what your intentions are so we can plan for our futures.
To clarify: My largest fear is not that they screw up Trello, but that once more developing resources we pay ever doubling license-fees for will be reallocated to making sure Trello works well with the rest of the stack, and becomes a big seller.
It's all about new bells and whistles with Atlassian, while we the end-users are begging for bugfixes or feature-requests for decades. This is clearly reflected in not patching bugs in current version but instead force users to upgrade, while sometimes losing functionality we loved just to keep the application safe.
Jonas
[1] As portrayed on The Wire
Glad they bought trello. I'm hoping they integrate it to the existing issue workflow and make it a better product than it is. And there is a good chance of that happening.
Hopefully they'll leave Trello as it is.
There is now a new market share to fight for
1. Create an awesome ToDo list
2. ???
3. Profit
Or maybe I should not consider the users of a product the primary customers?
HipChat - Small user base and unscalable architecture. Hundreds of thousands of users and loads of resources to rewrite nearly all of it's backend. Still a work in progress but it's been very stable for the past year and the clients, which were all non-native web views, are coming along nicely.
Fisheye/Crucible - Small user base, unprofitable. Now has thousands of users and is hands down the best code search and review tool that lots of people don't know about.
SourceTree - Massive expose for a very small tool that wasn't well known before acquisition. Many new features, has remained stable throughout.
Greenhopper - Was a small, profitable, plugin. Now built-in, completely integrated hundreds of new features and has adapted well to various trends in Agile (scrum, kanban).
Despite this thread, which shows HN's consistent (and ironic) distain for (or is it lack of understanding of?) successful software companies, Atlassian is actually great at creating great products out of questionable acquisitions.
Outside of Atlassian:
Whatsapp is free now, people like free. That's neat. To people crying out privacy, honestly… privacy is the only thing that VC backed b2c companies sell that's actually worth real money. They were eventually going to open that pandora's box.
Twitch gets to continue existing and it's ad-free for prime members now as well. I like free :).
Firebase is better than ever. Let's all cry a single tear for Parse, we all wanted a massive Mongo cluster backing our data, right?
I think this acquisition will add to the Confluence vs SharePoint story and make Atlassian more attractice.
IF (it's a big if) Atlassian are planning to move into the intranet/productivity tools space this acquisition is really sensible.
Atlassian used to be loved before prior to its IPO.
I'm not too happy with Atlassian acquiring Trello. How much of Fog Creek will still be part of Trello?
At one of my internships (Elec Engineering) with a mining company they used Trello to organize the majority of their work.
After that experience I started using Trello to organize all my daily stuff.
I had it to organise my book reading list, book purchase list, Quarterly and Yearly goals, Job application status, plan and execute on my thesis, assignments and side projects.
I can't believe how much value it has provided me for free!
It's good to see them get rewarded with a nice buyout.
It also integrates externally to JIRA regardless of whether it's a cloud or on-premise version.
We have been using it internally successfully since a few months, first in my team and then in others in our company.
Would you guys be interested at Atlassian?
My company uses Jira (correctly) and it is great - for software. I keep all of my personal lists in Trello.
Also - VersionOne <<<<<<<<< Jira
I wonder what the future of Trello is - both as a customer and as a software dev (I loved their remote work policy).
Whining about a for-profit product no longer having a free-tier is odd to me. Either be fine paying for the service (nothing wrong with that) or pickup software that is free; I for instance personally use org-mode and Emacs heavily for all of my personal information management.
I also do not understand the sentiment that every product acquired will slowly begin to suck; that happens for some products sure but the converse is also the case.
To be fair to Atlassian, I used to hate Jira a lot but in recent years had to use it for work and it quickly grew on me; they are putting effort into improving their services / products, modernizing their software development processes and technologies, and delivering updates to their software on a regular basis.
If you're going to contribute here, please be more constructive or detailed. Why not talk about your ideas for a project that is free that anybody could install on their servers that does what Trello does if you do not like that they may begin charging for Trello?
Edit: fixed unintended mistake in the company name
[0] https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRA-1369
[1] https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRA-3821
PS: Here's a bonus issue that took 10 years to resolve (renaming users!): https://jira.atlassian.com/browse/JRA-1549
Not as old, only 5 years. Yet this is blocking my switch to a new CI server (GoCD) and makes building pull requests in general a pain.
They don't say if it will stay free or not.
I've moved on to Zenhub instead of Trello, but it's indeed a really nice product that can be used by many, and not just people in software development
On that note, my hunt for good task organization app led me to Todoist! It's awesome! It has great web and Android apps and great API which I intend to hack at some point to create an emacs interface for it.
So glad that Todoist wasn't bought by Atlassian. My biggest gripe with Atlassian is that it natively doesn't support Markdown in Jira. It uses its funky own markup that's really bad.
I haven't been able to find such app so as for now I'm stuck with pen and paper
PS: their pricing page says $10 / year and user
Or Atlassian is using this to go after competitors like A-Ha! which it doesn't currently serve (i.e. non software development projects)
Does anyone know or, better yet, use any good self-hosted Trello alternatives?
There's also a Chrome extension to export a board to a spreadsheet: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/export-for-trello/....
Checkout zenkit.com.
> $425M / 716 comments => $593,575 per commentSoundcloud - $500M potential buyout
Trello - $425M
I'm not aware of any other. All those 10,000 startups world wide and only a couple gets bought out few IPO. The chances of a payout doing a VC funded startup is marginally slim despite what PG wrote in his articles nearly 10+ years ago.
Coupled with rising interest rates, it seems like the ride is coming to a slow crawl but this is just my gut feeling.
There's no better time to bootstrap than ever. Control your own company with no outside influences. You don't need billions of dollars. If you can double your day job salary with a SaaS then I think that's a huge success.
Here's to a happy & successful 2017 for the rest of us bootstrappers on HN.