> PHP developers are makers at heart.
What is the difference between a PHP developer and any other developer? If they tried to stick this in the middle, I could swallow it but opening sentence is just ridiculous.
> What is the difference between a PHP developer and any other developer?
It's exactly the type of response I was hoping for. In early drafts we got a common "big whup" response from some readers. Most posts on PHP these days only do well when they bash the language, very few focus on __why__ they use PHP: which is to create things. Yes, all developers create things, and PHP developers do as well. This sentence serves to validate PHP and their developers. So to answer your question:
> What is the difference between a PHP developer and any other developer?
Nothing.
Even if you still don't buy my explanation. Maybe you can stomach some non-wordsmithed docs: https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/getting-started-with-p...
Either way - thanks for taking the time to explain.
The Ruby community is for Ruby. Period. A company can't dictate their own policies based on ideas of just one community.
The sentence just sounds as if you paid $5 someone to write you an intro to a technical matter because you didn't know what to to use.
The sentence is general and without point. Because it is coming from a technical company and is aimed towards technical people, yes, I find it ridiculous.
My bias: 80% hate, 18% apathy, and 2% curiosity into what facebook is doing with the language.
Not putting much actual stuff out there, but always preaching about Monads, purity, laziness, Typeclasses, etc.
(Joking, but only half)
It's a Rails-like framework for PHP, and seems to be pretty well designed. I wouldn't start a new PHP project without it.
The bare metal lack of abstraction in PHP that other languages have to have but PHP doesn't can be one of its strengths.
The idea is that Laravel gives you a huge solid launching pad and takes the busy work out of making a website run.
Fast and a really good documentation.
It's good to have options.
This is odd since most people don't think of equating WordPress with PHP, but WP gets a TON of love from the development community.
in many ways, WP exemplifies PHP core devs' philosophy of "dont ever break existing ecosystem compat". PHP has some major WTF that lingers on because of this. i'm very surprised that it has been progressing at all considering how stubborn they are on even fixing completely obvious shit like "unexpected comma" errors written in Hebrew. wordpress takes this attitude to a whole new level :(
there is great, maintainable software written in clean* PHP; the only thing i've learned from WP is how not to write software.
Some would say its part of their "all platforms" deal, but then I'd argue its not much different than AWS. I'm wondering if they can bring some of the large portion of PHP websites that still run today onto their platform as a way to increase active and paying users.
> I'd argue its not much different than AWS.
Could you expand here? What about the platform do you find similar and different? Which of that is good and bad? What were you using each to accomplish?
I'm happy to answer questions about Heroku. But I do like hearing unfiltered impressions and experiences before I taint them with my own world views.
Note: I'm currently experimenting with Heroku for a side project app and I've used AWS before. I'm a "cloud computing" newbie when it comes to running a web setup in the cloud.
I'm a developer currently using a lot of languages like python, c++, php, coffee script, & java. I've never understood "cloud computing" and why everyone wants to be on it. It's always been a disaster to setup a php application (for me personally). AWS was a pain in the ass to get phpMyAdmin setup and then they over billed us while on the free tier and we quit and went back to standard web server.
I've briefly looked into Heroku and getting it running with php and I understand the basic git push to Heroku "workflow". However, I quickly became lost once I started looking into getting phpMyAdmin on Heroku. I couldn't find documentation or videos on youtube. Am I just to comfortable with phpMyAdmin in my little webserver? Does Heroku and cloud computing offer better tools / different tools for phpMyAdmin? I haven't seen a good explanation for AWS or Heroku on how to setup a webserver from start to finish to mimic a traditional simple web server.
TLDR; I get frustrated trying to setup cloud computing for simple projects when non technical people want to "be in the cloud".
Heroku probably does some nice workflow things, which is a feature, not a product. Whatever "timesavings" the tooling provides is an AWS feature release away from having parity.
Personally, I've only tested Heroku a couple of years ago out of curiosity.
So here is Heroku, working closely with facebook to bring the PHP platform to Heroku, while all along other hosting and infrastructure companies don't even have to worry about supporting PHP because they sell you scaled box-space, not application stacks.
I guess my whole point is "if you're building your apps with PHP these days, you are probably the type of shop that would benefit from the value-add of Heroku." That is, small to medium businesses with 1-2 web guys running a PHP app who don't know shit about hosting, deployment, or scaling.
Does that make sense?
http://fabien.potencier.org/article/71/sensiolabs-raises-5-m...
I haven't seen any mention of that on HN.
Symfony components are used in Laravel and upcoming Drupal 8. The funding above means that SensioLabs will continue to work on solid platform(s) that will bring higher quality development and standards to PHP.
Honestly, I'm pretty happy for that.
Something like Wordpress is in my opinion not built for readonly paas,more for classic/upload with FTP workflow. And Heroku IS expensive while being very easy to use when one think his app as readonly backed up by cdns and databases.
I deployed a few Symfony projects on Heroku,it works well. But why choose PHP when I can choose my entire stack since not limited by host restrictions?
It's an interesting experiment nevertheless.
Heroku held its own for a while. I'd recommend it if you need to do some quick testing and get people on it to start, but I wouldn't pay for it.
