No, seriously: renting a 2 bedroom flat in a not brilliant suburb of London costs around £25,000 a year, or US $40,000. Then you can add council tax (another £2000), water, electricity, and gas bills, and travel. Upshot: the fixed costs of living in London are on the order of US $50,000 per year (two beds) or around $40,000 per year (one bed). Note that I focus on the two bed option because that's the practical minimum for a family unit, or for someone who telecommutes from home. Note also that the average gross income in London is a little under £28,000 per year (before tax).
Upshot: normal people and normal families can't afford to rent in London any more. The only thing propping up these insane prices is the scarcity induced by the current bubble in the foreign investment housing market. The crash, when it comes, is going to be epic.
I mean, you can match those Barcelona prices in nice market towns a short train ride from central London (probably a similar door to door time to many parts of central London to commuting from West Hampstead), which many London workers actually do. They can think about buying in those areas from £75k as well.
But the investment bubble at the high end of the property market is a largely separate phenomenon; middle-class renters are more likely to take advantage of cheap rents from a lazy letting agent managing the investment property of a foreign owner who's not too savvy about what their buy-to-let income should be than they are to be affected by the unoccupied flats in Belgravia not being on the market. For that reason, for £28000 a year I got five large bedrooms, two reception rooms and a garden in a desirable south London suburb three years ago, so I'd expect a pretty impressive[ly located] 2 bed flat for £25000....
Things might be a bit more subtle than that; Barcelona is in catalunya, which is actually doing quite well for itself in spite of the catastrophe in the balance of Spain.
Taking a cursory look at the (current) prices in the area, Chelsea and similar areas look like you might find a single place or perhaps two at those prices, but it won't be terribly appealing - attempting to actually rent for £480/wk looks like it gets you a studio/1bed flat.
Edit: So essentially, £25k/yr will get you almost nothing in upscale areas, a hell of a lot in downscale areas.
3 bedroom place then becomes a 6 rent unit property off the books. That would explain part of the rocketing prices. I've known chinese nationals who stayed 15 to a london property. All cash. Authorities do nothing and some are in on the shuffle taking kickbacks.
Yup, that is the whole point of market economies, they self correct eventually. I totally sympathize with the folks in London it sucks not being able to find an apartment, so you end up either in a horrible commute or working elsewhere. That makes it harder to find people to work there, so if the imbalance persist the jobs move elsewhere, and the revenues go down, and the economy cools off.
So if you're in your 20's today, something to think about is how this might self correct. Either telecommuting could take off, or something like Musk's Hyperloop dropping off people from one urban center into another. Ask yourself what is it about London (other than the job) that makes it a desirable place to live. Can those things be replicated outside of London? Can you build an urban 'night life' center and split the night life from the work life? What is it going to do to the cost of businesses that have to be in London? Can those businesses be made more efficient or profitable by enabling them to minimize their local footprint? On and on. It really isn't sustainable, and as Charlie points out the crash is going to be pretty epic. So think about how you might turn that to your advantage in 10 years.
So, building lots of co-working spaces in England's market towns and regional cities seems like a sensible move right now.
That's not the only point.
The other point is that flights are still much too cheap:
And that is because airline companies/consumers are still allowed to externalize the insane environmental costs. Meaning: we are allowed to pollute, without having to pay for it. That means, a) we promote pollution (the externalized costs) and b) these costs are paid for by the entire world population (1st, 2nd and 3rd world, even if the latter have never ever polluted in the slightest way).
25k/year here will give you an upscale serviced short-let apartment, or a 5 bedroom, 3 reception room house with a large garden.
In other words, the prices you give are based on assumptions about living in a really expensive part of London.
I also know people who work in this style from Newcastle and Manchester - though the train tickets are often more expensive than flying, there is the added benefit of power, space, and being able to arrive ~5 mins before your train departs.
EDIT: Currently attempting the same from 1hr outside of Paddington, where my rent is less than 50% of my London rent. Though it's certainly a lot more dull than living in Zone 2!! I wouldn't advise it :-(
London property prices will decline if and when London loses its role as an important financial center. Maybe if the UK leaves the EU, Singapore's gravitational pull increases, or some important regulatory changes take place.
I don't think such a decline would have any effect on the supply side; it won't suddenly create more houses, or release more houses from ownership to rental.
What effect would it have on the demand side? Well, people in the financial industry who could move to Singapore or Zurich or whatever might well do that, and so stop wanting to rent houses. But there are vanishingly few such people - you're talking about the elite. Their loss (if we call it a loss) wouldn't have much impact on demand. The kinds of stupendous penthouses and townhouses they rent mean they're not even competing in the same market as the normal middle-class mugs. The majority of people in the financial industry - from bank apparatchiks down to post-room clerks - aren't about to up sticks and migrate to a tax haven. If their jobs go away, they will be looking for other jobs in London.
Even if they decide to give up and go and become shepherds in the Dales or something, how many of them are there? Finance is big in London, but it's far from being a dominant employer. There are huge numbers of people working in all the other sectors of a post-industrial economy too - law, media, IT, corporate head offices of all sorts, academia, healthcare, culture, not to mention all those civil service jobs. If we accept the (forecast) 2013 numbers in http://www.london.gov.uk/sites/default/files/wp51.pdf then finance employs 357 000 people, out of a total of 4 859 000 - 7.3%. Significant, but not enough that anything short of a collapse of the industry will have a significant effect.
Even with the relative costs of living taken into account, some cities are more expensive that others - London & Sydney are still right up there.
You don't have to live there. You can commute. And if it gets too hard to find good people in London because both the rent and the commute are terrible, companies will eventually open offices in more fertile areas.
For example see what this gets you N1, a pretty central and desirable postcode: http://www.nestoria.co.uk/n1/property/rent/bedrooms-2/maxpri...
Don't forget there are other costs that the OP might have added to equation: water, ec, internet, phone...
However, there is much better value to be if you move out a bit. I rent a 3 bed double story semi-detached house in zone 5 NW London in an awesome residential area. Its located in a cul-de-sac, we have a proper front and back garden, no 1950's council flats anywhere nearby, near a great high street and lots of green spaces around. Rent is £1350 per month.
Oh, and there is a fast train (no stops) to Euston which takes only 12 minutes.
the upshot of this is for the average income in London (28k) the affordability limit is 70k. And there were last month 66 properties advertised for sale in London at 70k or less - for a city of 8milllion
just agreeing with the parent post here
Even ignoring north of 96th street (which, check a map, is part of Manhattan) there are plenty of neighborhoods where you can find a two bedroom for $3k or less. Yorkville, Chinatown, far LES, parts of alphabet city, the far west 30s, and probably others I'm not familiar with.
That you could say such a thing says more about you than the rental market.
(Oh! Or are you one of those denialists who thinks rent control isn't actually destructive, and prefers your own vision of reality to what the consensus among economists has to say about the matter? because if so I've got some people you should meet who don't believe climate scientists on global warming, or the medical establishment about things like homeopathy, and i think you can all be friends)
I mean, the point of the article is a little shocking, but it carefully doesn't mention the commute time, which appears to be the thick end of 7-8 hours per day (2h 30 flight each way, and Stansted is not exactly in the heart of London). As a result, there's no shortage of people paying London's high rent prices. I'm one of them, and I wouldn't trade cheaper rents for that kind of commute (or, honestly, even commuting for 1-1.5 hours from the many towns outside London where such a thing is practical). So why does London need rent control?
For example its obvious you don't, otherwise you would realise The Guardian has been banging on about the cost of London for donkey's years (at least 20) and against the bubbles of buy to let. I remember lots of stories flogging against it as the journalists were complaining they couldn't afford to live in London.
Their also complaining against the current schemes the UK Government which Gideon is pushing regarding mortgage guarantees and everybody (whether in the UK or not, whether working in banking or not) is saying will just create another bubble along the lines of buy to let.
The real issue is a lack of properties in the places people want to live.
There are strict rules about over-accommodation too. The bedroom tax has been operating for many years for everyone except those in council houses and housing association properties.
Universal Credit will cause tenants to be paid their housing benefit directly.
http://www.housing.org.uk/policy/welfare-reform/universal-cr...
There are a number of different approaches to addressing the extra risk this will introduce to rents, with things like Jam-Jar accounts, but it's generally expected to introduce more insecurity and thus limit the amount that can be spent on new housing.
The rewards of telecommuting become even more pronounced for those of us who live in expensive cities and are forced to either spend exorbitant amounts of money to live near the office or else waste a lot of our lives commuting in traffic.
Of course, even conference calls suffer from the use of low-quality software and hardware. For some reason companies tend to use $1 microphone and $5 speakers for conference calls.
Some in Congress should probably read this, too...
The job is to write code, which could be done from anywhere (home, coffee shop, on the train, at the beach). The other stuff like collaboration, meetings, architectural discussions, etc., could be done virtually or scheduled for, say once a week. The benefit of a few hallway discussions is far outweighed by the 10+ hours per week spent commuting to the office.
So you spend 128 hours per month commuting, to save 387€. Not what I would call a bargain.
Oh, what about double taxation? I'm pretty sure you'd be hit by that and that would most likely put you well in the negative.
PS: there is no double taxation between UK/Spain
Your most limited resource is time. Money is a distant second. And if those people arent monetizing their commute or taking care of their entertainment, they are wasting time to save some money. It's nearly as stupid as fracking - wasting water to get oil, only to later have a water shortage and a raped environment. And half as stupid as wasting your health for money, then trying to get it back with money.
So that said, this would probably increase my own personal productivity.
I rented a loft for 6620€/year. It's mint condition and it's in the outskirts of Barcelona. I'm 12 min in subway to the plaza Catalonia and in 7 min using the train or 20 mins in bus. To be honest, I would never never again will rent in the centre of the city. It's expensive and all buildings are antique, without the proper commodities.
If you want to come Barcelona, check the outskirts, get a scooter or enjoy the Barcelona transportation system. It's wonderful.
I want to add some more info about living in Barcelona.
The weather is magnifique. It barely rains all the year. You can go mountains withing 2h car travel if you want to enjoy the snow in winter.
Eating can be really cheap IF you go to the supermarket, buy all the meals and cook yourself like I do, I saved 300€/month doing this instead eating outside. If you can compile rails, you can be a chef, :). I do buy the meals and stuff for around 90€/month. That includes the 40lts of water i buy. Then daily i try to buy meat, fish or vegetables for the week and it cost me no more than 220€ month.
I pay 90 euros electricity, 30 gas and 40 water every 2 months. 60 euros for 100mbit fiber connection + phone and mobile and that's all.
At my job we all speak english. And sometimes we speak mix english / spanish but its rare.
There is, for instance, a flat steps from the London Overground in South Norwood (http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/30891717) that is going for £400/month (€470/month).
(It's unclear why you'd want such a long commute, versus living in far-away green suburbs by the train.)
"Men Only / No Females"
What the hell? How is that legal?
I assume other cities and countries have similar exceptions in their laws.
Similarly, it would be cheaper for me to rent in Mexico City and commute to my job in Los Angeles. Yes, some global metropolises have lower rents than others.
Is this serious? Because that's the whole point of this blog post: flying everyday between London and Barcelona it's actually doable, for real. As in: some people might end up doing it.
Of course that presumes that my sanity has no value, but I'm not certain how much worse it would have been than some people's driving commutes.
Why would you live in Central London? You can commute for an hour into Liverpool St and get much cheaper rents.
Remember that 1 bed flats are especially in demand at present as a result of the (in)famous bedroom tax[1]. A single person or a couple are only allowed 1 bedroom if they need to claim housing benefit (unemployed or low-wage, and remember that in London 'low waged' is a pretty high threshold, e.g. teachers, social workers, retail staff, bus drivers &c).
Bear in mind that building 1 bedroom flats has (hitherto) been regarded as a waste of money for housing associations or councils, so that really only commercial lets are available (at usually twice or three times the rent of a HA/council flat with 2 beds), so, ironically, the tax payer will be paying more to move couples out of 2 bed high rise flats in rough areas which are hard to let into expensive private let 1 bed flats. There will be no takers for the high rise flats (unsuitable for children) so they will be mothballed then expensively demolished.
Yes, bonkers, but the UK is run by the Daily Fail and other populist idiots.
[1] http://england.shelter.org.uk/get_advice/housing_benefit_and...
Edit: OK anonymous downvoter, state your reasons
Bonus: It's a three hour commute to London [1].
[0] http://www.zoopla.co.uk/to-rent/details/20671512?search_iden...
[1] http://traintimes.org.uk/Gainsborough/London/06:30/monday/18...
Leeds? York? I suspect not.
Bear in mind that single bedroom flats are mainly built in areas where land is expensive, because it is only then that the small space saving over a 2 bed flat outweighs the similar building cost.
Birmingham: 3 bed house commercial, way outside city, is £750 pcm. That will increase when H2S happens (if it does).
As other commenters have commented (in other comments), there are plenty of bits of the UK which are still cheap. And whilst they may be absolutely lovely, they're cheap because they're miles from anywhere that anyone with any money would want to work or go shopping.
Given the option of the hassle and commute, people would prefer to just live in London. Which is the whole point- real estate pricing is efficient in this case.
Not true. An EU regulation in force since 2008 makes that illegal [1]. Ryanair, for all its other faults, abides by the law.
[1] Article 23, Regulation No 1008/2008. PDF: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2... "The final price to be paid shall at all times be indicated and shall include the applicable air fare or air rate as well as all applicable taxes, and charges, surcharges and fees which are unavoidable and foreseeable at the time of publication."
The prices on the website are exactly what you pay, as long as you pay by debit card and don't check luggage.
Source: I live in Barcelona, and travel monthly to London.
Its a hard lifestyle - by about the 10th of these flights you will be sick of the security hassles (and RyanAir) - but it was way better than living in London full time (no offense).
I did it for 18 months before finally burning out on it and moving to a full time remote position (which paid less but I decided that that was worth the upgrade in lifestyle).
Sure, Birmingham is not Barcelona or London, but I'm not sure how you'd enjoy them by living most of your off-work time in a Ryanair flight.
A peak return ticket is £158 (this Tuesday, trains arriving before 9am)
Who cares if you live in Barcelona if you're asleep all the time?
Also, from this article it seems that rents have actually fallen, because in 2007 I could not find that kind of accomodation for that price and I was strugling to save any money compared to now.
I guess the housing market collapse in Spain has actually impacted the crazy Barcelona prices of mid 2007.
I decided that I was willing to pay a premium for my <25 minute commute to work (close to Tottenham Court Road). And as long as other people think the same, rent will go up. Pretty standard supply and demand. Everyone works in the center, and nobody likes to waste 2 hours of their day hopping trains and buses.
So this is what you get, take it or leave it, I guess...
http://gospain.about.com/od/ryanair/qt/ryan_barcelona.htm
Although, Gerona is itself a beautiful city and would be a nice place to live.
"However, Ryanair have recently decided to start flying to Barcelona from around Spain and a few other airports in Europe."
- from quality angle?
- from price angle?
Edit: formatting
There are two arguments that are typically given.
Firstly, you want to encourage people of different incomes to live together. I don't believe that this is a worthy goal. It's not clear that the benefit to people on low incomes outweighs the loss to their high income neighbors. And the richest 1% always find ways to isolate themselves anyway.
The second argument is that welfare should taken into account the cost of living. I also believe this within reason, but the welfare system already does this in many ways. In fact, London's "one bedroom rule" is a clunky way to do precisely this: it lets people live where they like, but prevents people from purchasing an excessive "quantity" of housing.
The main cost that was ommitted that would give us an idea whether the commute is worth it is the opportunity cost (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost). While it'd be difficult to estimate how much the author's time is worth, if we assume that he/she gets paid an hourly wage of W, and it takes H hours to commute to and from London, then the opportunity cost would be something like W x H. If that opportunity cost is greater than the 387€ in savings, then it would not be cheaper to commute from an economist's perspective.
Sure, there's no council tax and utilities are cheaper. Still, its pretty close.
I bet Paris ain't so far from that either, and let's not talk about NYC.
Basically, all of the large tech cities prices are "batshit insane".
The only hope I see, barred 1h30/2H by plane travel time, as the author suggests.. is remote work whenever possible. You can then live 3-4h away from big cities (so you can still get together if needed), and prices are slashed by 10.
Additionally, why propose such an intrinsically inefficient model? What about using a hostel on M, Tu, W, and only fly in M AM and out Th PM? Monthly commute ~28 hours, quality of living benefits, and probably save even more $.
Can someone from the EU comment on the potential tax benefits of an international live/work arrangement?
€30 return flights and it's faster than Barcelona, 1hr flights (and you can show up 45 mins before flight leaves for IE->UK).
Even using Hotel Tonight while I was in London, accommodation was €200+ on a Tuesday night.