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0 pointsjrochkind112y ago0 comments

Ha! I think what might seperate Java lovers from Java haters is whether you consider `maven` to be an asset or a liability!

Those who only occasionally use Java when they have to... tend to find maven incredibly confusing to get working properly.

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edwinnathaniel12y ago· 2 in thread

Hahahaha, I think you're on to something there!

I wouldn't call myself a Java lovers as I'm moving away from Java lately but so far I haven't found a comparable tool to build+dependency that Maven provides nor I have found a good ecosystems that adhere to non-breaking fundamental building-block standards (Servlet, JSP, JPA2, EJB3-lite, JMS, etc).

Yes, Maven could be painful to start with especially without someone who had previous experience on your team but feature-wise, nothing competes with it yet. Ruby needs RubyGems and Bundler (and Rake to that extends) to compete with Maven. I heard the philosophy of "Do one thing and do it well" but if you're using those tools altogether every time (Rails) then what's the point...?

jrochkind1OP12y ago

I don't understand what you mean by "ruby needs RubyGems and Bundler to compete with maven."

Sure, and Java needs maven to compete with RubyGems and Bundler.

Oh wait, you think it's significant that on ruby it's two cooperative tools with two different names, compared to one tool on Java? I don't see how that matters too much in practice. (But it does, in real life, is it really just maven, or is it maven, and definitely ant, and maybe ivy too? heheh.)

I will admit that I find bundler a lot easier to use than maven, but I'm definitely a rubyist more than a javaite. I _think_ that someone who only occasionally needs to use ruby will find bundler easier than someone who only occasionally needs to use java will find maven. But maybe that's just my own prejudice, I could be wrong there.

edwinnathaniel12y ago

Oh I'm not referring to which one is easier to use but merely on the features.

Maven = Bundler + RubyGems + Rake

Maven = Ant + Ivy

Maven = not-sure-what-the-equiv-in-python (pip is more along rubygems?)

I don't think Maven is easy to use if you have to write from scratch (you need an IDE or something to generate the initial POM first ).

I'm also questioning if it's necessary to have RubyGems separated from Bundler when in real-life, you'd almost always use both anyway (along with Rake) to have a more productive workflow.

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