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0 pointsRickJWagner5mo ago0 comments

Read these. Were you this upset when Obama was using ICE? If not, why?

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/speed-over-fairn...

https://www.aclu.org/news/smart-justice/violation-constituti...

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/exiled-obama-adm...

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hypeatei5mo ago· 2 in thread

The onus is on you to explain how Obama's terms are relevant to what ICE is doing now. Did Obama:

- post AI videos mocking immigrants?

- open a facility called Alligator Alcatraz?

- say "homegrowns are next" when talking about deportations?

- immediately call victims of ICE violence domestic terrorists?

- deport people to a labor camp (CECOT)?

- send ICE into cities of his political opponents to cause property damage, stoke tensions, detain people, and execute them? (see: Chicago, Minneapolis, etc.)

- allow ICE commanders to throw up Nazi salutes?

There is no decency; cruelty and theatrics are the point. This admin is on a revenge tour and is using ICE as their secret police force. If that's not obvious by now, you should get out of the MAGA bubble and improve your media diet.

RickJWagnerOP5mo ago

You didn’t answer the question.

The ACLU called Obama a monster, and they call Trump a monster, too.

Obama set the precedent, I agree Trump added childish and cruel rhetoric. ( But the use of ICE is the same with Obama and Trump. )

I do not agree on Nazi actions, etc. That’s exaggeration and it’s not useful.

So do we agree that on the deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal? If you don’t condemn Obama, is it fair to say you don’t condemn the use of ICE to deport?

hypeatei5mo ago

> But the use of ICE is the same with Obama and Trump.

> So do we agree that on the deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal

No, they're not the same as I've demonstrated. I'll ask again: did Obama do those things above? You can keep pretending that "ICE is only there to deport people" but as reality has shown, that's not true. They show up to events to intimidate, they tear gas and shoot protestors, etc. all the while cabinet members cover for their abhorrent behavior because the cruelty is the point.

This conversation is obviously going nowhere so I'll let you keep living in fantasy land and obfuscating with "but Obama!!" like usual. Maybe you'll repent one day.

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