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0 pointshypeatei5mo ago0 comments

> But the use of ICE is the same with Obama and Trump.

> So do we agree that on the deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal

No, they're not the same as I've demonstrated. I'll ask again: did Obama do those things above? You can keep pretending that "ICE is only there to deport people" but as reality has shown, that's not true. They show up to events to intimidate, they tear gas and shoot protestors, etc. all the while cabinet members cover for their abhorrent behavior because the cruelty is the point.

This conversation is obviously going nowhere so I'll let you keep living in fantasy land and obfuscating with "but Obama!!" like usual. Maybe you'll repent one day.

0 pointshypeatei5mo ago0 comments

> But the use of ICE is the same with Obama and Trump.

> So do we agree that on the deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal

This conversation is obviously going nowhere so I'll let you keep living in fantasy land and obfuscating with "but Obama!!" like usual. Maybe you'll repent one day.

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RickJWagner5mo ago· 2 in thread

The ACLU condemned Obama for his use of ICE. Many times.

If you condemn Trump, it is only logical to condemn Obama for doing largely the same thing. The ACLU does.

Heres an ACLU article that discusses both:

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/border-patrol-wa...

hypeateiOP5mo ago

You're being disingenuous by saying things like:

  > largely the same thing

Look at the points I mentioned and tell me how they're the same. I don't contest that law enforcement does awful things with their power, but this administration emboldens them is the difference.

  > I do not agree on Nazi actions, etc. That’s exaggeration and it’s not useful.

What? You disagree with the actions but it's also exaggerated?

  > deployment and tactics of ICE that Obama and Trump are roughly equal

Answer this for me: did Obama send ICE agents into cities as retribution? Did he send ICE agents into schools, hospitals, protests, etc.[0]?

If ICE agents are known to abuse detainees, then why would you want them in sensitive areas? By that metric, these administrations are not even close to being the same.

0: https://www.ice.gov/doclib/ero-outreach/pdf/10029.2-policy.p... (hint: no he didn't - "Enforcement Actions at or Focused on Sensitive Locations")

RickJWagner5mo ago

Obama set the precedent, didn’t he?

The ACLU calls Obama a monster.

Now it’s time to fish or cut bait. Do you condemn Obama for using ICE as described in the many articles I have shared?

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