That’s why we created: The Continue and Persist Letter. A official-looking legal letter that encourages and uplifts people, one that tells people to keep doing what they’re doing! Surprise someone you appreciate by sending them a Continue and Persist Letter.
Having received actual legal letters before, my personal experience is that I would much rather receive normal looking holiday cards to encourage me in continuing whatever I was doing, rather than being surprised by official-looking letters.
It might be different if this service offered help in other ways, but currently it seems like a practical joke of dubious taste.
But in reality people will form an emotional response just based on the appearance of it. And even after they read it they might be left perplexed and some might spend further resources to figure out if this is a legal threat in some way.
I would find such a letter in incredibly bad taste, and think of whoever sent it to me or caused it to be sent worse than before.
I remember one time having a super helpful person at Home Depot walk me through a home project I needed some advice on so I asked to talk to their manager to compliment/thank them.
After a few minutes the manager came over and looked so ready for me to berate them about something only to look incredibly shocked that I was actually complimenting the service I had just received. Was nice for everyone.
I've heard too many horror stories about employees/stores getting punished when you give them 4 out of 5 stars since (according to upper management) it implies that something was less than perfect.
— Now we’re talking. What is it?
— I want to complain you’re not taking my suggestions seriously.
Sent one to my college roommate and sat quietly while he got home from class and checked his email. He obviously started panicking until the link in the email revealed the joke. He didn’t think it was funny and swore cold blooded revenge that I’ve yet to receive. Still keep one eye open at night.
You’re receiving it right now. It’s the uncertainty, the uneasiness you have to carry with you every day, that is the revenge.
Never got anything serious from them as most were “we’ve update some random piece of info on your profile” notifications, but still made me nervous every time.
"stuff related to getting paid for things I invented…."
You all haven't trademarked the idea, have you? I think I'll just write a few of these up myself and send them out.
Agreed. I don’t know what other junk mail will be included, nor how my recipient’s data will be used.
Just look at OP's comment history, one example:
> I absolutely love making chrome extensions - my very first one was creating an extension for tinder.com that would swipe left on anyone with the first name Chad
All they require here is your name and email, and the recipient's name and address. Both are (probably) public somewhere and in combination are almost certainly still worthless (or certainly worth less than the postage they're giving to you for free)
> We may share Your information with Our business partners to offer You certain products, services or promotions.
Which somewhat takes the shine off this in my opinion.
(That, and also: How hard is it to post a letter yourself?)
I don't think that word means what you think it means...
I'm not OP, and I'm no lawyer, but I'm sure you're free to try this concept for yourself.
Three ways to protect IP
Trademark is for logos and names Parents are for methods and inventions Copyright is for works of art and writing
They might be able to trademark the phrase "continue and persist", but it's not likely. If they had they would have put a little TM or (r) next to it.
It's not sufficiently original to qualify for copyright protection.
And it's so far from being patentable I hope I don't have to explain why.
- a trademark may be claimed with TM even if not registered. A trademark registered with, and accepted by, USPTO should use circle R.
- these folks hold the copyright on their specific letter. Avoid infringement (and potential negative legal ramifications) by not reproducing their letter. This is not limited to photocopying a physical paper. Retyping verbatim will infringe.
- the concept itself cannot be protected with existing (US) intellectual property law.
I would say the same thing about a lot of things the USPTO has handed out patents for. At this point, it wouldn't surprise me if someone could obtain a patent for this, if the patent application was written the right way. Whether such a patent would hold up in court is an entirely different question.
I appreciate the clarification in this and the comments below, but yeah, it was meant to be tongue in cheek.
This seems like a clever way to collect valid mailing addresses. People are also likely to include personal information in their praise messages, which could be valuable data.
Their Terms and Conditions and Privacy Policy state they reserve the right to share collected information with service providers, business partners, and affiliates. They can use your data for "other purposes" including "data analysis" and "identifying trends." They can share your information with "business partners to offer you certain products, services or promotions."
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A USPS Forever Stamp is $0.73. Unless yall are rolling in VC funds or a lot of extra cash, a few hundred or even thousand orders is going to nuke the entire idea.
Are you still going to harvest and use all of the collected data of people who never got anything mailed?
1. It comes from your heart.
2. You don't leak PII to internet randos.
3. It shows you put some thought into it.
4. Writing letters is fun, and the post office needs all the help and support it can get. While you're at it, why don't you give THOSE folks some praise, too?
5. A personalized letter doesn't look like something official and frightening. Seriously, you're underestimating how many people this is going to unnecessarily scare, at a time when our institutions are failing more and more.
Maybe we don't need to automate away every last bit of being human.
Thank you for running this service! I'll pay it forward when things recover.
The small space on the post card for writing means you can usually only fit a few sentences in (keeping the time investment short) and you don't even need to fold up the letter into an envelope. You can start with a few post cards bought from a gift shop, and if you like the habit, you can get themed boxes of 100 postcards from an online retailer for $20. (e.g. birds, or cats, or Disney Princesses).
But! I don't love the idea of sending PII for friends and family to an unknown source in order to facilitate this.
You can ask your friendly neighborhood LLM for a template and go to town!
"I'd like to create a positive spin on "Cease & Desist" letters for the holidays that I could send to friends. Let's call them a "Continue & Persist" letter.
How can I make something cute and uplifting that I could send to friends for the holidays. I guess I need some personalization options like name, and one thing I'd like them to continue doing (optional).
Can you help me create an official looking, but fun form letter that I can fill in the send to people? Thank you!"
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[Your Name or Family Name]
Department of Holiday Joy & Encouragement
[Your Address or City, if desired]
[Date]
OFFICIAL NOTICE
Re: Continue & Persist Order
Dear [Recipient's Name],
In the spirit of the holidays and in recognition of your outstanding contributions to the world, the Department of Holiday Joy & Encouragement has issued this Continue & Persist order for you.
This order officially requires you to continue being your amazing self and persist in spreading joy and kindness throughout the year. Please note the following specifics of your order:
1. You must continue to [something wonderful they do, e.g., make everyone laugh, inspire others, or bake the best cookies]. Your efforts in this area have been truly exceptional and have brought countless smiles.
2. Under no circumstances are you to cease being the incredible [friend/parent/artist/etc.] that you are.
3. This order is valid indefinitely and cannot be revoked (even if you try to protest with modesty).
Failure to comply with this order will result in an overflow of love, gratitude, and probably more letters like this one.
We at the Department of Holiday Joy & Encouragement commend your contributions to making life brighter and sincerely hope you have the happiest of holidays.
Warm regards,
[Your Name or Family Name]
Director of Holiday Cheer
Little efforts like this help even things out
On April 12, 2024, Chang issued a public apology regarding the issue on his podcast, The Dave Chang Show, stating that Momofuku had not intended to upset with their legal actions, and noted that Momofuku would no longer attempt to enforce the trademark.
The person you responded to is providing additional context regarding David Chang. His name might not be familiar to readers as someone who is famous for sending large volumes of cease and desist letters.
He is mentioned in the very first sentence of this HN post:
> Every day, thousands of Cease and Desist letters are issued, telling people to stop what they’re doing (Looking at you, David Chang). What a bummer!
My father was diagnosed with liver cancer about a month ago, and I have had a rough time of it since. I needed this positivity in my life.
Thank you for reminding me of the good in the world; sometimes we all need a dose of that.
If I can buy you guys beers, please don’t hesitate to reach out. I’d love to help build some future boondoggles. :)
Email is in my profile. (The irony of my domain being owlpost.lol is not lost on me haha)
I can see why they would have this restriction, but there IS a payment option, so they could offer it with whatever feels is required. Still, all the best US cousins!
But guess what, it's US only, again...
There is seldom a flutter of thanks—-rarely does anyone come to me saying, “Splendid!”
Yet, the day continues, operated by a calendar.
The lack of thanks does not make me anxiouz, but I continue on my journey because I signed up—to create. Create something out of thin air, something out of my figment of imagination.
But there are moments where I am vulnerable, alone. In those moments, I look for a post-it where it says, “Continue and Persist.”
Thanks for creating this. I’ll wait for this. Maybe someone, someday.
Also, 1 typo to fix ('acknoledgement' on homepage: https://triplechecker.com/s/771583/continueandpersist.org)
Dear sir, you must feel privilaged to receave a letter from someone as important and distingushed as me. It was well earned and deserved i assure you (which is the best kind of assurance) It of course pains me greatly to see my greatness overshadowed but there is joy in being reduced to an observer in awe.....
Ill let myself out
Our legal dept (person) did this in 2007 and it made me so happy.
Of course the SMS is discontinued because of costs but the idea still exists.
On the other hand, I can't blame people for it either, since it's equally tiresome to be world-inclusive by saying "This is for an northern American audience" at the top of each website that requires it. If only there were some way to un-obnoxiously denote this ... <cough> TLDs <cough> ...
I mean, I love the sentiment. It's a cute idea.
But something that on first look looks ike another legalese quagmire on my desk would raise my blood pressure way beyond what my doctor tells me is healthy. By the time I realised this was meant as an encouragement, the damage would already have been done.
Maybe show appreciation in something that masquerades less as yet another fire to put out.
If you like my work, say so on social media. That does way more for me than this novelty panic-inducing letter.
When people share their address with businesses, they are generally protected under laws like GDPR and CCPA.
OP’s site seems a bit hosed at the moment so I can’t dig into their privacy policy and see how they handle GDPR and CCPA deletion requests.
Lmao what explain your math
I was wondering for EU, could I get the document template.
i sent an email to ko-fi thru 2 different channels, with loom, cc'd boondoggle...
hope everyone comes back to donate once it gets fixed.
“Cease and desist” has nice assonance, I feel “pursue and persist” matches a little more in that regard, though both are decent.
As regards meaning, “proceed” and “pursue” are both good, taking slightly different angles but to essentially the same purpose.
Continue - hold together (cum + tenere -- same root as contain)
Proceed - go forward (pro + cedere)
If this was publicly available document so I could fill in the missing bits, I'd send a dozen of these tomorrow.
It is: you can click on 'WRITE YOUR OWN CONTINUE AND PERSIST HERE!'[1] to be sent to a Google Doc with the template.
[1]: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_Um9z87Zv_zLRZRRHpii-Mwm...
Have we reached peak data privacy paranoia? Harmless lil projects that harken back to the good ol' days of the internet are somehow actually devious PII honeypots?
Why do people think their data is so valuable on its own without being connected to their actual consumer related behavior? Truly, what is a name and address worth vs. anonymous user on smart TV id_8z6748dxzh watched 3 hours of Hoarders on Amazon Prime, skipped 85% of ads, but did not skip 50% of ads relating to early onset male pattern baldness, and resides in Ohio?
We somehow both overestimate and underestimate the value of our personal data. Which leads to unwarranted paranoia in inappropriate contexts and alarming indifference in the most common but mundane contexts.
My job puts me on the receiving end of a lot of gratitude, and I absolutely adore it. It's one of the main perks of the job. After experiencing it, I have become a lot more lavish in my praise, and frequently email people to thank them for their work. Most of them are very appreciative of it, especially when they make their work freely available.
>> I’ve done this about 20 times. I never got a response only once or twice, but the rest responded warmly. Many of these people have turned into friends. We actually call each other on the phone and shoot the shit. A couple of them have even turned into best friends.
more here: https://sive.rs/2020-04-email
It sure does.
And lack of gratitude goes a long way in the wrong direction. Big time demotivator.
