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0 pointsmachdiamonds2y ago0 comments

Not sure why people on HN can't understand that companies actually need to make money to survive.

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Sure, I understand people need to make money, but I draw the line at false or misleading advertising. They had open weights models in their page title man, I hold companies to higher standards than this. Also, I am not convinced open models would have precluded them from making money. There is nothing I've seen which says an open weights company cannot work. They may not become the first kajillionaire company in the world, but they can still make money.

chadash2y ago

I won’t eat at that restaurant anymore because the chef no longer publishes cookbooks. Oh, you say he will tell me the recipe as long as I agree not to use it to open a restaurant across the street? Well, f** him that’s not good enough. He built his career learning recipes from cookbooks who learned recipes from other cookbooks. He owes it to me to publish his recipes and let me do what I want with them.

yjftsjthsd-h2y ago

The chef made his entire reputation by publishing cookbooks, and practically overnight pivoted from loudly proclaiming how important it was to share recipes to refusing to share anything and telling people to just eat at his restaurant.

fragmede2y ago

Where this analogy falls flat, is the fact that I can take the "food", the model, and copy it an infinite amount of times, and use it to open my own, competing restaurant, who's food is as delicious as the original chef's. It'll differ some in presentation, but it's still gonna be a really really good cut of high end steak that was heated just right and melts in your mouth in all the right ways, without me having to put in any of the work it took to get there, which means my overhead is way lower. Suddenly, this chef has to compete with my fast food knock-off of their Michelin star restaurant. Some people like paying $400 for a meal for the experience, but it turns out more people just wanna be fed and are cheap, and can't or don't want to pay for the Michelin dining experience when the food is of equal quality in this tortured analogy. No one goes to the original chef's restaurant, and they go out of business.

The original chef probably shouldn't have told everyone their recipes were always gonna be available to the world for free in the first place, but we were all young and dumb and idealistic and didn't think things through at some point in our lives.

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Zambyte2y ago

A systemic problem is still a problem.

MyFirstSass2y ago

I think people are disappointed that some of the huge amounts of tax they pay don't go towards keeping some of this world changing tech open.

OpenAI became closed, same with Mistral - why don't EU, Mozilla, or whatever org make it so some of this tech remains in the open? We can apparently send trillions towards war and the all encompassing corruption surrounding that but are never agile in any other context where money is not getting siphoned off to some complex, i wonder why.

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