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0 pointsMBCook2y ago0 comments

Arrived on time? They left hours late from the departing airport.

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shkkmo2y ago· 2 in thread

Flight plans get updated when plans are delayed on takeoff. SFO should have had the arrival time from the updated flight plan for quite a while.

MBCookOP2y ago

Makes sense. Thanks. That is weird then that SFO wasn’t ready.

V-eHGsd_2y ago

they were ready. "fly heading XXX, vectors for visual 28R", is them saying, "i'm ready for you to land". What norcal (not SFO) was not prepared to do was accommodate the extra wide gap that lufthansa's company policy would've required.

it was up to lufthansa to tell approach that they're not going to be able to accept the approach in use. It's being advertised on the atis that they would've been able to pick up in the air long before they got near the airport. (well, 10+ minutes before this interaction started anyway, they can probably get d-atis anywhere).

i'm sure it was said in the follow up video, but lufthansa knew what they were offering at SFO and if they needed something different they should've spoken up much sooner.

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lxgr2y ago· 2 in thread

I wonder if there is any mechanism that reconfirms landing slots (and other aspects of the flight plan) still being available after a delayed takeoff for cases like this.

Is it really just a matter of taking off and hoping for the best, or did somebody in the chain of granting a take-off clearance miss something?

toast02y ago

I've had flights that were delayed, and then during the start of the boarding process, we had to stop and switch to a different aircraft, because the delay meant we'd be too loud for the noise curfew when we arrived, so we needed to take a quieter plane. That was a domestic flight into a small airport (LGB), but I imagine there's something to manage total flight volume in general; there's certainly exception handling to delay or cancel departures when the destination airport is unlikely to be available due to weather.

lxgr2y ago

That’s a static rule that the pilots can (and have to) comply with based on information available to them, though.

I wonder if an updated (international) flight plan is checked for projected congestion levels (based on other flight plans?) at all and can be declined for that reason?

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6 comments · 2 top-level

shkkmo2y ago· 2 in thread

Flight plans get updated when plans are delayed on takeoff. SFO should have had the arrival time from the updated flight plan for quite a while.

MBCookOP2y ago

Makes sense. Thanks. That is weird then that SFO wasn’t ready.

V-eHGsd_2y ago

i'm sure it was said in the follow up video, but lufthansa knew what they were offering at SFO and if they needed something different they should've spoken up much sooner.

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lxgr2y ago· 2 in thread

I wonder if there is any mechanism that reconfirms landing slots (and other aspects of the flight plan) still being available after a delayed takeoff for cases like this.

Is it really just a matter of taking off and hoping for the best, or did somebody in the chain of granting a take-off clearance miss something?

toast02y ago

lxgr2y ago

That’s a static rule that the pilots can (and have to) comply with based on information available to them, though.

I wonder if an updated (international) flight plan is checked for projected congestion levels (based on other flight plans?) at all and can be declined for that reason?

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