I think this didn't change much for the following decade, but COVID turned the tables. Suddenly Spanish programmers could take jobs for global companies for very competitive salaries. I've heard of people making 70-80k euros working from home, which is more than 2x the average national. Recently someone told me that when they offered a Spanish programmer a job for 100k USD, she started crying.
So the "correction" that we are seeing seems more like a logical consequence of the contracting job market, plus the move away from remote work for many companies. It seems more like a correction than a crisis.
It was similar in the US in the 90s. The pay was OK but nothing compared to the past 15 years or so, and socially it was not well regarded at all. The movie "Office Space" depicts what it was like pretty accurately.
In the UK, which was nowhere as bad as Spain or Italy, programmers were making £17k/year pre-08 outside London. IT was just a cost base, minimized at all costs, the main job for programmers was academia, most people working in companies were hired out of high school. A job in IT or even a CS degree was career suicide, employment rates were one of the lowest of any degree and if you got a job you were just a cost.
It is hilarious to see the change. Companies that have tried to re-sell themselves as tech companies when ten years ago all their "IT" staff were just working on managed services.
The reason why this is relevant is because most of the change recently has been spillover from the US. If that spillover stops, there are no jobs domestically, you are a mechanic living in a horse-drawn society. The advantage the US has is compounding rapidly.
*One where restrictions on advertising and data collection/sales kept software as a pay-to-play enterprise, necessitating higher wages among those who would be users.
They’ve tried this before: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust...
All the major Internet properties are falling to pieces. I’ve encountered more hung GMail loading screens and empty IG story trays (which should be impossible if feed loads at all) in the last week than in the decade starting at 2012.
GPT-4 didn’t go hyperbolic or whatever, the regular Internet needs to keep working after all.
They’ll keep kicking for a few more months, they really want hackers brought to heel, but rates aren’t doubling again and “AI” hasn’t hockeysticked.
Nothing like that on my end. Sounds like a confirmation bias story: you think the tech industry is collapsing, so you see failure everywhere.
Why would any company fire a Spanish programmer that brings in money to the company, only to hire somebody more expensive in-office?
Why do you think Paul Graham compares it to communism?
It’s not because of some culture building nonsense - it’s 2023 and by now we know it works.
They do it because they hate the leverage and mobility it gives employees. How someone can’t see why SV investors and the CEOs of various companies and the giant conflict of interest is beyond me.
This really goes both ways. If you can work from anywhere, I can hire from anywhere, possibly from somewhere where the cost of living is much lower, where people are willing to do the job for less. The leverage really is coming from there still being a limited supply of labor, but that is not a perpetual given.
This reads as if it was written with a large number of buzzwords that did not translate well.
Also, there's another article on the same site, "End to the great era of layoffs: big technology companies reactivate hiring but with conditions". Which came first? There's no date.
It's a bit annoying because while I'm mildly interested in other opportunities, most don't even bother reading my profile and just dump their crap on me. I selected the remote only option but most jobs that are shared with me are office based or hybrid. I'm officially hybrid now but I rarely visit the office and I want to keep it that way. Offices have become horrible places now with the hotdesking.
I definitely tend to agree with the outsourcing piece. I would guess that probably has more impact than a recession.
Also seems based on speculation.