How are you liking the Y?
[1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F5IQOynIawoXiJPVarLD...
Versus the dealership(Larry h Miller) advertising the car for $40k on their site, and not telling you about the $15k fee until you're in their office.
It was worth it for us to pay 7k for the upgrade to the Tesla, and to get something much faster.
I far prefer the transparent pricing of Tesla, and its now the only manufacturer I'd consider buying from in the USA.
Do your scare quotes mean you think it's unreasonable? It's supply and demand, isn't it?
And it's not scare quotes, I'm just using the phrase that they used, which I had never heard of before.
And, it was unreasonable, because of some details which I did not include, which is that the specific vehicle was listed as for sale on their website for $40k, but only when I called did they say that it was actually only for sale for $55k. That's a bait and switch.
No, it's not reasonable when you're forced to go through a middleman who adds little to no value to the transaction and wants to take a massive cut. Ford is legitimately worried about dealership greed jeopardizing the success of the F-150 Lightning[1] and EV's in general, so they're moving towards direct to customer online sales for their EV's[2]. They've arguably been burned by greedy dealerships in the past with the Focus RS[3].
[1] https://www.thestreet.com/lifestyle/cars/ford-warns-dealers-...
[2] https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/06/ford-wants-to-sell-evs-...
[3] https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2017/07/barks-bites-focus-...
People here love passive aggression.
Not even sure what I’d replace it with, but there’s nothing I’m looking at that comes close to justifying it’s cost versus just keeping this running.
The aluminum engine is great for fuel efficiency, and the chain transmission instead of belt is convenient.
My previous Auris got stolen so I shopped around for a while, but couldn't get the proper price/getting out of my way ratio out of anything else.
Instead of paying a huge premium on a new car, I bought a zippy electric scooter. Lots of fun, and faster than driving when traffic is heavy.
And in my case, it also happens to have 100% support from Openpilot, which is a requirement for me.
Just a heads up.
I've got a first-gen Volvo XC90 T8 PHEV which only gets like 17miles (ok more like 14 if the heat or A/C is on which is basically always) on electric but it makes a huge difference in overall mpg since I use the ICE on the highway and switch to electric in-town.
My one concern is that there's a huge question mark about what happens when the battery degrades over time. I'm happy to replace it when that happens but will be really bummed if my only option at that point is to put the same lower-capacity battery in.
Sort of silly to hope for but if I'm lucky the battery will prematurely degrade within the 8-year hybrid warranty and they'll replace it for free.
[1] https://usparts.volvocars.com/p/Volvo_2017_XC90-20l-4-cylind...
I can accept that the observed behavior on my end is "pay up or wait".
What I cannot accept is that the dealerships are pocketing all the markups.
Why?
Many people would rather their money go to the people actually designing and building the product their buying, ideally maximizing the value of their purchase.
From many consumers perspective they're just paying extra for someone to rip them off in order to be rip them off again later.
If dealership provided an genuine value the should be able to charge what they charge in fair competitive market conditions.
I ended up getting a Ford Escape Hybrid (not plug-in) instead, which I really like (then again, I guess it's a different kind of product, not being a plug-in hybrid)
Dealers are putting high asking prices into these websites to anchor the negotiations at an unreasonable number. Gullible customers come in and feel like the dealership is doing them a favor by selling for "only" 20% over MSRP.
I really doubt that RAV4 SUVs are selling for 50% over MSRP in high numbers. Maybe one or two sales to people for whom money is no object who also, for some reason, won't simply buy a more luxurious vehicle for the same price. Don't let dealers fool you into thinking this is the new market rate, though.
One year ago today, it the trade in value is 12% more than I purchased it. Today, it is 36% more. This is wild.
Here's a real email exchange I had about a Prius Prime LE:
Dealer: We have one in stock!
Me: What's the price on it?
Dealer: The MSRP is 30119 plus 20k, tags, and taxes.
Me: Plus 20k?
Dealer: Yes that is the mark up on our Prius Prime. It can be negotiable, but have to be in person.
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That looks to me like a number pulled out of their ass as an ad-hoc out-of-state spam filter. It worked. But I see no evidence that it has shit to do with the actual price that a human being would pay to buy a new car.
HN is a big place-- anybody pay 15-20K over MSRP for a Prius Prime in the past 6 months? I strongly suspect dealers are having fun touting their spam filter numbers as if that's some kind of real car price...
Basically a great gateway drug to fully electric, which is what I want when I can get an F150 which is not taking orders atm.
https://driverbase.com/research/vehicles/bmw/i3/2018
and end up with ~$42K in pocket.
(It is particularly inexpensive because they significantly improved the range in 2019. However, the 2018 would easily do your commute.)
We ended up buying one in lieu of trading in an ICE pickup truck for a backordered electric F150.
To me, the crazy thing is that we could apparently sell you the used i3 we bought earlier this year for a 36% profit, and you could end up with a 60% discount on the i3 (vs. pre-Ukraine prices) by switching to it from the RAV4!
That means it takes an hour to drive there and back?? Twice a day?!
For the price of Toyota RAV4 one could get either a 7-seater Škoda Kodiaq[1], or a fully electric Škoda Enyaq[2], both of which are more practical and more premium inside.
In many parts of Europe, Škoda is considered "the European Toyota". Because it's made by Volkswagen Group and uses the engines previously tested by its more premium brands – such as Porsche, Audi, and Volkswagen.
Hyundai, Ford, Chevy, VW, et al seem to have an extensive lineup of electrified vehicles. Yet, they still seem very hard to come by in this market.
https://electrek.co/2021/09/20/skoda-abandoning-phevs-per-ce...
I probably should plug its competitors: Hyundai Tucson PHEV and Ford Escape PHEV. They're cheaper and roughly the same size. They don't have the insane acceleration of the RAV4 prime, but they accomplish the goal of going from A-to-B with 40ish miles of all electric range + gasoline backup.
If you're willing to sacrifice the acceleration, the Hyundai Tucson PHEV should be competitive. Ford Escape PHEV is FWD only and also slower, but its the cheapest of all 3 options.
Having said that, I mainly drive on city streets and interstates now days, but I still understand why someone would want a car with a little pep.
Funny how EVs have changed the game on performance. I don't think anyone sells an EV with a 0-60 over 8s, and one can pretty easily get a model 3 with ~ 3s 0-60. That was supercar territory not so long ago.
It can be combated somewhat with fuel stabilizers, but it's absolutely a concern.
I don't think that's a fair number. It seems cost/mile or carbon/mile would make more since, since that number assumes electricity is free.
Do they have option of not remotely controlled car? )
It has 42 miles of electric range. Prius Prime only has 25. So you can have an SUV, have electric, and have a gas engine for long trips.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_RAV4_EV
Crazy to think what PHEVs goes for now.
1) Prices in the US don’t include tax.
2) Ireland is also an expensive place to purchase a car because of VRT. RAV4 PHEV is €47k in Germany for example.
3) Lastly, could be some spec differences between the cars that account for a difference, as in my experience, cars in Ireland aren’t always the same specs/trim as other areas (but I could be wrong about Toyota, I don’t know).
The best I've been able to find is 1.5k over msrp with some other restrictions.
What happened after that? The market didn't even bother asking anything about them and with electric bills ramping up, the opportunity of somewhat have a seizable market for electric cars was lost.
Whoever think we'll phase out regular cars by 2035 is either lying, being naive or getting something out of it.
I am also noticing the same pattern in luxury real estate. I see listings routinely sell below the asking price or not selling at all. There is a cash crunch coming and the rich are urgently putting up their items for sale.
yeah, actually...
