IBM says all US employees must be vaccinated by Dec 8 or face unpaid suspension (opens in new tab)

(cnbc.com)

9 pointsenkne4y ago11 comments

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I wonder if this is really more of an easy way to downsize their workforce without having to deal with severance. They did it once before with their "back to the lab" initiative, where remote employees were terminated if they didn't return to a physical office.

raxxorrax4y ago

I am vaccinated but I might change jobs if my employer thinks he can make health decisions for me. You don't want this to even start. It seems government and society in the anglospere are a bit overwhelmed.

And suspended for how long exactly?

jussij4y ago

The concept of governments and societies enforcing vaccination is nothing new.

For example a child going to school in most development countries will need to be vaccinated against Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Whooping Cough.

And the world only managed to eliminate the scourge of Polio thanks to government led mass vaccination programs.

Factorium4y ago

Those vaccines last decades or a lifetime and have been around for generations.

If you agree to vaccine mandates now to COVID, you're effectively consenting to 6 monthly booster of it, forever.

This is already the case in Israel.

MRNA and Adenovirus technology has unknown long-term side-effects, the chief 'innovation' seems to be that its cheaper to manufacture than traditional vaccines.

Markoff4y ago

Agreed and I am dumbfounded why 10 months after start of vaccination my only options for COVID vaccine are viral vector vaccines first time in history approved by any medical agency in 2019 (ebola) or mRNA vaccines approved in the end of 2020 (COVID).

That's not what I would call vaccine where anyone can guarantee no long term effects after 5-10 years with every day new "rare" side effects being discovered, safe AZ ignored or banned in most of the EU, now even Moderna suspended in Sweden under 30 or Denmark under 18.

Where is my inactivated virus vaccine? That's technology we use en masse for decades, not some VV/mRNA crap used hardly for 1-2 years.

ev14y ago

I honestly don't understand what parent is complaining about because this is nothing new in virtually any country.

I have to be vaccinated to go to school, to dorm, to enter or exit countries, to travel for business, to travel for leisure, to work in multiple fields (even technology if you have to enter medical facilities), none of this is new.

It might be a bit weird for a desk job, but have you seen most office buildings? When I did a short stint at Oracle the queues for the lift every day, multiple times a day, were dozens to hundreds of people, every single one was packed during peak hours like morning or lunchtime, and I couldn't go a few months without getting sick. Windows that didn't open, recirculated air.

Markoff4y ago

I've travelled all around Asia and Europe, nobody ever before asked me about any vaccine (yet I had optional ones)

and no, for instance in Czechia your kid DOES NOT have to be vaccinated to attend the school, they can require vaccination in optional preschool, but it can't be required for mandatory education, because the law clearly states education is above mandatory vaccination

Markoff4y ago

you are right, but they are enforcing vaccines which last 10-20 years, not 6 months and those vaccines are against serious diseases causing issues to many infected, not just bunch of old or obese people and lastly those vaccines use technologies which are used for decades, not something first time in history approved in 2019 (viral vector) or 2020 (mRNA)

pharma lobby sure has lot of power in US politics

ecf4y ago

> You don’t want this to even start

Thankfully, it has already started.

orionblastar4y ago

I would guuess until they get their shots.

I had a friend who had Covid three times last year. Claimed he didn't need the vaccine. Died this year of the delta variant.

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jmpman4y ago

They probably determined that their older workers were more likely to refuse the vaccine. Another way to discriminate against a protected class.

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patwolf4y ago

raxxorrax4y ago

And suspended for how long exactly?

jussij4y ago

The concept of governments and societies enforcing vaccination is nothing new.

For example a child going to school in most development countries will need to be vaccinated against Measles, Mumps, Rubella and Whooping Cough.

And the world only managed to eliminate the scourge of Polio thanks to government led mass vaccination programs.

Factorium4y ago

Those vaccines last decades or a lifetime and have been around for generations.

If you agree to vaccine mandates now to COVID, you're effectively consenting to 6 monthly booster of it, forever.

This is already the case in Israel.

MRNA and Adenovirus technology has unknown long-term side-effects, the chief 'innovation' seems to be that its cheaper to manufacture than traditional vaccines.

Markoff4y ago

Where is my inactivated virus vaccine? That's technology we use en masse for decades, not some VV/mRNA crap used hardly for 1-2 years.

ev14y ago

I honestly don't understand what parent is complaining about because this is nothing new in virtually any country.

Markoff4y ago

I've travelled all around Asia and Europe, nobody ever before asked me about any vaccine (yet I had optional ones)

Markoff4y ago

pharma lobby sure has lot of power in US politics

ecf4y ago

> You don’t want this to even start

Thankfully, it has already started.

orionblastar4y ago

I would guuess until they get their shots.

I had a friend who had Covid three times last year. Claimed he didn't need the vaccine. Died this year of the delta variant.

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jmpman4y ago

They probably determined that their older workers were more likely to refuse the vaccine. Another way to discriminate against a protected class.

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