IA did this integration in 1 week, Mitra is awesome.
Also, decentralized Reddit (https://notabug.io) was built in 1 week on us, and pushed 0.5TB P2P traffic on 1st day.
Note: I may not be awake for several hours, and might not be able to reply until Monday.
How suitable is GUN for live multiplayer (non turn-based) web games? (Similar to https://airma.sh/.)
I see one game example at https://github.com/amark/gun/wiki/Awesome-GUN, although it's turn-based.
I need to fix the organization of the documentation (and update the docs, oye!). I'm impressed you found Awesome-GUN.
https://github.com/amark/gun/blob/master/examples/game/space... is probably what you were searching for.
What would be better is if I made a blog/tutorial for ^ link. Not a priority for me, sadly, but maybe it is for somebody out there, that they could help?
Thanks again!
I'm still trying to get a handle on the security aspects of gun. Say you want to create a blog/note app - that holds both private notes, drafts - and things that are to be shared to some friends.
Would you effectively have to store data encrypted in gun, and manage access via sharing encryption keys - in order to be able to both securely store data, and share it?
In the examples, it appears things like "create user" is called in client side code - which seems to imply anyone can write any data to a gun db? (by adding themselves as admin?)
Is the use-case of gun more a public, structured wiki - where all content is fundamentally untrusted - but easily updated by anyone?
That is probably because I've done a poor job communicating it, since I'm still finding time to write about it. Thank you for bringing this up!
Probably most relevant: I kinda sorta had a demo of a P2P LinkedIn working https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiELAFqNSLQ .
So we do have an unstable API that automates key management and key sharing, but all production apps (notabug.io , etc.) today directly use our https://gun.eco/docs/SEA shim over WebCrypto.
Unfortunately, that means you have to be aware of how to apply it - thankfully, we did make a cartoon cryptography crash course on this (in link), so it is viable to get started.
Obviously, if you have any new insights, would love to hear it!
Without SEA, gun is very much like what you say. With SEA, you can protect against just anyone randomly writing to GUN. Jump in and ask more Qs on https://gitter.im/amark/gun about it, or you'll circle back around later - hopefully that is helpful directions?
Thanks. Most important statement of mine: I bet you'll enjoy the cartoon cryptography series.
To prevent spam, it looks like they require a PoW on each vote. Does every update on a GUN database from untrusted peers require something like this? Is authentication intended to stop spammers in the future?
PS. For anyone reading, there's a recording of a talk Mark gave on GUN from the DWeb Summit, available here: https://youtu.be/kW6e1GCpqpE?t=43m22s
GUN uses a proof of work for account creation/login I think, but otherwise no there is no proof of work requirement for updates.
I added the proof of work requirement to votes as part of my own validation. The difficulty at https://notabug.io is set quite low, but https://dontsuemebro.com is a peer that still has it set quite a bit higher, it rejects the cheaper votes at notabug.io so the scores/sorts are different.
Spent a lot of time focusing on performance, notabug.io is running GUN with redis as a storage adapter and doing server side rendering to speed up the user experience.
Domain pages are currently all gun/clientside though with out the server doing anything special to help at all.
https://notabug.io/domain/youtube.com/
Also when using the infinite scroll feature or chat most all content is loaded directly through gun without intermediary REST calls.
- http://gun.js.org/distributed/matters.html
- https://youtu.be/EHZyaupYjYo?t=55m52s
- http://gun.js.org/explainers/data/security.html (not about GUN itself, directly, but SEA)
Is at least 1 of those helpful? If not, have any ideas on how I can improve the explanation?
I am not familiar with this new dweb subdomain, what is unique about it?
Archive has actually lost some of the archives I stored on it, which is weird, because I ran multitude of backups on it a few years back when the site got taken offline
My understanding is that this loads content from various protocols (listed at the top of the page), many of which support replicating data in a decentralized way. As far as I know, there's no blockchain involved in anything here yet.
If you browse to the Community Video section and choose a video, you can see peer information as though downloading through WebTorrent. If I disable WebTorrent and look at a video, I don't see the peer information and it seems to fall back to HTTP. Pretty cool! It looks like almost everything is only seeded by the Internet Archive right now, but hopefully they want to encourage more people to participate.
I would love to see a write up of how their infrastructure works though
Who currently controls the domain? One of the ways stuff can be lost is if a new domain owner fiddles with robots.txt. (The Archive has recently changed their policy about that)
We have also seen an upsurge of the use of robots.txt files to remove entire domains from search engines when they transition from a live web site into a parked domain, which has historically also removed the entire domain from view in the Wayback Machine.
https://blog.archive.org/2017/04/17/robots-txt-meant-for-sea...
Can a script check robots.txt periodically for changes and if changes are detected, then download the content from Wayback Machine before it becomes inaccessible?
Additionally, can a script check the domain registration for an anticipated expiration date, or perhaps monitor domainname "drop lists"?
For the same reason I find it comforting that an old fashioned bank transfer can be corrected if I transfer money and make a mistake writing the account number. Mutable history is a powerful feature.
[1] Red parts of https://arxiv.org/help/license
In another thread, I also mention that immutability creates algorithmic complexity that makes it difficult to scale: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17693920
*Except the sentence "The decentralized web is everywhere, but we have to find it." and a Name form that does nothing.
My guess it's trying to use some bleeding edge emcascript stuff which borks the parsing in non-bleeding edge browsers.
If you think back to, say, the library of Alexandria, to how much knowledge has been lost over the ages, it is so important to preserve as much as we can for future generations.
And building a decentralized foundation for this archive is a big step going forward, congratulations!
Due to their biology, this alien species experiences periods of massive population growth that eventually lead to all-out war and collapse of civilization. Over uncounted thousands, maybe millions of years, these aliens have accepted this vicious cycle as kismet, and deal with it by building "warehouses" filled their most advanced technology to jump start civilization after the next, inevitable, collapse.
I hope humanity will never have to deal with such a collapse, but I given our collective tendency towards self-destructive behavior, maybe we should build such an archive as if it was meant for future cavemen to jump-start them into a new Anthropocene. Even if that collapse never happens (I am keeping my fingers crossed!), the resulting tome of knowledge would be a suitable monument to all the incredible things that humanity has accomplished, as well as an insurance policy in case we manage to mess up on a monumental scale.
EDIT: A more positive perspective would be The Library from David Brin's uplift saga, a humongous collection of knowledge acquired by many, many species over millions, if not billions of years.
EDIT: typo
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