How the CIA Staged Sham Academic Conferences to Thwart Iran’s Nuclear Program (opens in new tab)

(propublica.org)

76 pointseni8y ago28 comments

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And let us not forget the endless string of assassinations carried out by foreign intelligence agencies against Iranian nuclear scientists [0][1][2][3][4], indiscriminately killing civilians – women and children.

Of course, we as a nation are so overwhelmingly vilified by US media that such tragedies happening to us don't get awarded the label of "Terrorism."

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majid_Shahriari [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fereydoon_Abbasi [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masoud_Alimohammadi [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darioush_Rezaeinejad [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mostafa_Ahmadi-Roshan

gr__or8y ago

I'm certainly no fan of the CIA and the fucked up shit it's done (and still doing), especially to your country. But isn't there a difference between a somewhat targeted assassination and an attack which's only target is maximum civillian damage (aka the typical terror bomb plot)? I don't want to justify these actions, I just think there is a qualitative difference.

eesmith8y ago

Sure, there's a difference. There's also a difference between first and second degree murder, but they are both still murder.

From what I can tell, most terrorists want to achieve a more specific goal than just to maximize civilian damage. Here are some groups which are called terrorist organizations:

Earth Liberation Front: carries out property damage related to fur farming, meat packing, GMO research, logging, etc.

Army of God, a Christian anti-abortionist group: kidnapped a doctor who performed abortions, and his wife, murdered or attempted to murder abortion providers, and carried out clinic bombings and arson.

In both cases the goal was to increase the perceived costs of respectively exploiting the environment and carrying out abortions.

What is the difference between a targeted murder of a foreign scientists by the CIA and a targeted murder of an abortion provider?

(I use "murder" because I think "assassination" is a fancy name partially meant to justify murder as an aspect of state power.)

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amir8y ago

I stopped reading after

> To show his sincerity and goodwill, the agent put his hand over his heart. “Salam habibi,” he said.

Either the reporter, or the CIA hasn't done their research. Habibi is Arabic, and that's not how Iranian greet each other, especially if they want to show sincerity and goodwill.

Cacti8y ago

Perhaps the agent was acting as an Arab while at the conference, and was obviously not Persian? Perhaps the Iranian had relatives who were Arab? Maybe the agent acted like the guy was Arab when they first bumped into each-other, to throw off the idea he was looking for Iranians, and this is like an inside joke to be friendly?

I mean, there are plenty of possibilities here, including that the person describing the event is describing it second hand well after a decade has passed.

Don't be in such a rush to judgement; you might learn something.

totalZero8y ago

Agreed. It'd be akin to saying "hola amigo" to an American scientist.

wyldfire8y ago

Are you agreeing with Amir or Cacti? "Hola amigo" is an expression that many US Americans understand and do occasionally use to greet one another.

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askdufuga8y ago

Actually my fellow comrade, people say that kind of stuff fairly often.

jgalt2128y ago

this is a great thread for ngate. HN debating whether or not the CIA's tradecraft was up to snuff.

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tryingagainbro8y ago

“I’m from the CIA, and I want you to board a plane with me to the United States.”

I'm sure his salutation was forgiven...the offer is what makes him think a trillion things a second.

josefresco8y ago

"According to a person familiar with this encounter, which took place about a decade ago"

Although I doubt the "mistake" was unintentional.

shell_scripter8y ago

Are you kidding? CIA never makes mistakes! They're the greatest, flawless intelligence agency in the world!

https://www.rt.com/news/fsb-detain-cia-agent-253/

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unethical_ban8y ago

Isn't it bad that we are talking about American spycraft against a rival, regarding a method they may still need to employ? This isn't like researching the Bay of Pigs.

vectorEQ8y ago

if u want to know what iranian nuclear scientists do for a living.. they don't make bombs :P https://www.thenewenergyindustry.com/project/the-story-of-me...

But maybe now it make sense why they want to thwart their research efforts and destroy their 'reactors' ? ;P

TACIXAT8y ago

When I loaded it, I was like wow, this looks like some free energy non-sense. Then it was!

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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throwaway97288y ago

Of course, we as a nation are so overwhelmingly vilified by US media that such tragedies happening to us don't get awarded the label of "Terrorism."

gr__or8y ago

eesmith8y ago

Sure, there's a difference. There's also a difference between first and second degree murder, but they are both still murder.

From what I can tell, most terrorists want to achieve a more specific goal than just to maximize civilian damage. Here are some groups which are called terrorist organizations:

Earth Liberation Front: carries out property damage related to fur farming, meat packing, GMO research, logging, etc.

In both cases the goal was to increase the perceived costs of respectively exploiting the environment and carrying out abortions.

What is the difference between a targeted murder of a foreign scientists by the CIA and a targeted murder of an abortion provider?

(I use "murder" because I think "assassination" is a fancy name partially meant to justify murder as an aspect of state power.)

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amir8y ago

I stopped reading after

> To show his sincerity and goodwill, the agent put his hand over his heart. “Salam habibi,” he said.

Either the reporter, or the CIA hasn't done their research. Habibi is Arabic, and that's not how Iranian greet each other, especially if they want to show sincerity and goodwill.

Cacti8y ago

I mean, there are plenty of possibilities here, including that the person describing the event is describing it second hand well after a decade has passed.

Don't be in such a rush to judgement; you might learn something.

totalZero8y ago

Agreed. It'd be akin to saying "hola amigo" to an American scientist.

wyldfire8y ago

Are you agreeing with Amir or Cacti? "Hola amigo" is an expression that many US Americans understand and do occasionally use to greet one another.

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askdufuga8y ago

Actually my fellow comrade, people say that kind of stuff fairly often.

jgalt2128y ago

this is a great thread for ngate. HN debating whether or not the CIA's tradecraft was up to snuff.

1 more reply

tryingagainbro8y ago

“I’m from the CIA, and I want you to board a plane with me to the United States.”

I'm sure his salutation was forgiven...the offer is what makes him think a trillion things a second.

josefresco8y ago

"According to a person familiar with this encounter, which took place about a decade ago"

Although I doubt the "mistake" was unintentional.

shell_scripter8y ago

Are you kidding? CIA never makes mistakes! They're the greatest, flawless intelligence agency in the world!

https://www.rt.com/news/fsb-detain-cia-agent-253/

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unethical_ban8y ago

Isn't it bad that we are talking about American spycraft against a rival, regarding a method they may still need to employ? This isn't like researching the Bay of Pigs.

vectorEQ8y ago

if u want to know what iranian nuclear scientists do for a living.. they don't make bombs :P https://www.thenewenergyindustry.com/project/the-story-of-me...

But maybe now it make sense why they want to thwart their research efforts and destroy their 'reactors' ? ;P

TACIXAT8y ago

When I loaded it, I was like wow, this looks like some free energy non-sense. Then it was!

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse