(I still think it's outrageous that C is still a single-pass language - we shouldn't need separate simultaneous declaration and definitions any more)
http://lighttable.com/2012/04/12/light-table-a-new-ide-conce...
I have looked into this. It is kind of criminal that for most real world languages (Ruby[1], C[2] etc), it's not possible to just define a grammar and throw it at a standard parser generator for them - they generally have one or two quirks which make this infeasible.
In my ideal alternate universe it would be considered unthinkable to publish a language without also publishing a grammar in a standard format for said language, which can then be plugged into your favourite text/semantic/tree editor. Our tools should dictate our languages, not the other way around.
[1] http://programmingisterrible.com/post/42432568185/how-to-par...
It was kind of neat, but also led to a lot of clicking around. It's one of those Holy Grail ideas people have been talking about forever, but I'm not convinced it's actually that superior given all of the ecosystem downsides there are to moving away from text.
I think you probably could do something better than text files, but it has to be a lot better to get over the chasm of losing all of your familiar editors, command line text utilities like grep, easy copy/paste, etc.
Text is a lowest common denominator medium. People get hung up on the "lowest" part, but the "common" part is pretty damn convenient.
Maybe not, but I have a hard time to believe that it can be considered even a slight annoyance to anyone but people just learning how to program. The same people that are annoyed by it probably benefits from it anyway, forces them to actually think about what they are doing.
Also makes it easier to get an overview of the code using just a text editor. KISS.
Slight annoyances pile up. Ergonomics matter even for seasoned pros. Just because they have learned to ignore the garbage, doesn't mean their room is clean.
And human factors matter. In the context of language design, they're the only things that matter - the entire function of a programming language is to make a complicated task fit a human brain as neatly as possible.
The usability engineering of old-school VB (of which VBA is the modern representative) was frankly top-notch, and I feel no shame following their footsteps in the https://anvil.works code editor.
But as to the single feature you mentioned, see for example Code Bubbles:
https://root.cern.ch/TaligentDocs/TaligentOnline/DocumentRoo...
As for Hypercard... it wasn't Apple's innovation but Bill Atkinson's (he designed and wrote the whole thing). Once Bill left (6 months later), no one else was really able to manage the codebase and it rotted for a decade or two until it was finally cancelled.
http://inessential.com/frontierdiary
I suppose that Apple Dylan was similar to Frontier in the sense that they were programming environments built around an object databases. Frontier was a shipping product though!
I had parts of Deuce up and running as a terminal-based editor at some point. Well, I didn't do input which is clearly a very important thing ... but I'd made good progress on the output side of things. :)
I wonder when Microsoft will do any work on the VBA editor. It's not like VBA is going away. Office users still write new VBA every day. They need it.
Popularised (if we can call it popular!) by Charles Simonyi of Microsoft's fame who created the company called Intentional Software that was recently purchased by Microsoft.
There was interesting editor called Isomorf that demonstrates the benefits of a non-text-based editor.
(site is down https://isomorf.io/) (youtube demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awDVuZQQWqQ)
I would really like to see something like this take off.
I firmly believe we can only unlock the next generation of software engineering by breaking free from plaintext. Think about it, how many more ASCII symbols can we mangle together to create meaning and context?
A structural editor takes all of that away. Suddenly syntax becomes a choice just like the colour theme of your editor.
Plaintext programming puts us into a fight with the computers because on one hand we need to keep the syntax parsable and on one hand humans need to read and write it.
It's a huge conflict of interest. You want to provide information to the compiler now the syntax becomes hard and complicated (rough example: Java). You want to keep the syntax human-friendly now the program becomes weak from the compiler's point of view (rough example: Python).
Our editors need to be context aware so they can hide/show relevant information and to encourage the people to provide as much information about the context/domain as possible.
If you look around you see we have been doing a lot of this stuff in the past decades but for some reason we just half-ass it by baking stuff on top of plaintext.
For example embedding documentation or even unit tests (python "doctests") in comment blocks in ad-hoc languages.
Or we embed naming conventions and so on to relate concepts with each other.
For example a "User.js" file and "User.spec.js" file for a test.
If we kept information in a structured manner suddenly so many of our problems would go away.
For example we will get structured version control. No need to have something like git tracking lines in files.
We will get unit testing that is always correctly tied to its relevant components.
We will get documentation that is structurally accurate. The editor could switch between programming and "documentation" mode. But the documentation would be a first-class object of the program not just some text that is shoved into it somewhere.
We will get much smarter re-factoring.
We will get much better compatibility across versions. Because there's no syntax to worry about breaking from a textual perspective. Because the program becomes a semantic tree and older programs can be "transformed" to fix them or make them compatible or something similar.
Because we are text-free the environment can encourage the programmer to provide a lot more information because it can get folded/hidden/etc.
The "units" will all have unique identifiers so confusion in naming and so on will be significantly reduced.
Perhaps you could create and publish modules/units in some central repository then use them in your projects. Kind of like NPM for example but a lot more structured.
So you could import a bunch of "units"/functions from someone else's catalogue.
Because everything could have metadata attached to it you could imagine for example "security advisories" could be attached to certain units such as a function and published.
The environment would know exactly in which places you are calling that exact function and it could alert you to the fact.
You could do semantic find and replace ("show me all sql queries", "show me all untested functions", "show me all functions modified by John Smith since last 14 days", "show me all undocumented functions", etc...).
You could do smarter CI/CD by way of defining rules and constraints on the structure of the program.
Made-up Examples: - If the changeset involves objects tagged with "security" require approval before deploy - If the changeset introduces new SQL queries ping the DBA team - If the changeset introduces more than 1 function without corresponding documentation show warning - If more than 50% of the new objects introduced in the changeset lack corresponding test cases fail the build - You get the idea..
The point is, all the cool stuff we'd like to do depends on us having a lot more structured information and context about our programs and a plaintext environment is not suitable and is hostile towards that.
The most defining element in it is the projectional editing of a structure.
That's why I said "the paradigm".
Your descriptions of projectional editing and intentional programming very much resonate with the vision we are pursuing. We agree that structured editing can create much more efficient paradigms for refactoring, reuse, and stability. Why do we search for code based on text rather than real function signatures and even input/output examples? Why do we need to change languages just to use new control structures? Why do we accept the coarse granularity of file level commits? Why are things like parallelization/caching part of code rather than ex-post runtime configuration? Why does deployment need to involve endless command line idiosyncrasies
This is definitely a complex problem, but we feel a paradigm shift is necessary to make a step change in software development efficiency. We’d love to discuss further.
Further, watching that video I was reminded of using the Equation Editor in Word long long ago. Frightfully un-ergonomic pixel-fiddling ("no, I meant put the insertion point INSIDE that expression!") compared to entering the same formulas boring-ASCII-style in LaTeX.
For example we will get structured version control. No need to have something like git tracking lines in files.
I don't see a huge difference between things like "tests embedded in metadata" and "tests embedded in comments"; they're both blocks of associated bytes that tooling is responsible for interpreting. Many of the examples you're describing are entirely possible with things like static analysis, annotations, etc. The difference is that in order to get them we didn't have to throw away EVERY tool we were using and start over. Bootstrapping a new non-text environment would be a substantial effort, and doing it without ending up in the same spot as M-expressions (where an intended for-machines-only representation displaced the more-complex planned notation) would be even harder.
I'd recommend checking out some of Joe Armstrong's stuff - he's been pondering the "global registry of functions with unique name" thing for a couple years.
The changeset still has a textual representation.
So the diff could be like a webpage that is showing:
On 5 June 2017 John Smith authored the following changeset:
- Added new function that calculates sum of given numbers (click to view)
- Removed function called "old calculate sum"
The program is not the syntax the syntax is just a representation of it.
So if I have added a new function we can both look at the diff.
We will both see that I have added a function.
We could both choose to view the body of the function in the same syntax, or you could configure your editor to show it in a different way. In the same way that you could configure the font size or the colour scheme.
The point is to reduce the importance of things that are not inherently part of the domain and give that importance to the problem/domain itself.
So you could view a "number node" like "5,000,000" and I could view it like "5_000_000".
I could view a function definition like "declare function named blah" you could view it as "def fun blah".
Because we are still looking at the exact same thing it makes no difference in the result of the program.
"syntax" is the textual representation of an underlying structure.
When all of our tooling revolves our modifying text/syntax not the underlying structure we make our lives very difficult and create new "artificial" problems with regards to parsing/extracting and so on.
A sufficiently good editor could make the experience even better than a normal text editor.
The crucial difference is that there's no such concept as "lines" or "files". But it could visually almost represent it to you in that way.
So you would type "let x = 1;" instead of it saving those characters in some file it would modify the program/tree and add a node that represents the fact that "assign 1 to name x".
As I also stated I know many of the things I have mentioned are already kind-of possible with the tooling that we have but they are bolted on in such a way that is disconnected from other components so we lack a more global view into a system as a whole.
This creates little isolated/disconnected worlds within a system and significantly reduces the potential and benefits of things we could do.
It also reduces accuracy to a level that you always have to have your guards up and can't fully trust the system. It turns into a helpful heuristic but not a first-class part of the system.
It is one thing to be able to "parse all of this crap and extract these blocks of characters that we think are the documentation" vs having strong accurate links established so that the entire system is capable of querying navigating metadata associated to objects.
Tests and benchmarks and documentation and all sorts of stuff can become first-class citizen objects in a programming language and the compiler and tooling gets exposed to that information it can suddenly start helping you a lot more than it is otherwise able to when it has no view into that stuff (i.e. compiler ignoring the comments).
Lots of things that are today very cumbersome and require sophisticated parsing and so on become very easy because you don't have to parse/compute stuff, information about the structure is readily available and queryable.
For example all your "logging" stuff could simply be tagged as "log".
Then when you are compiling you could say "take out all function calls tagged as log as if they didn't exist".
Again there's a huge but yet subtle difference between that and what we are capable of doing today.
We today we have ways of kind-of achieving the same thing by #ifdef compile constants and so on but one is inherently semantic and logically sound the other one is just arranging a sequence of side-effects to achieve a desired effect without exposing that insight to the compiler/environment itself.
That difference is the essence of intentional programming.
The system allows you to express and preserve your intent in its original semantic form that is the blueprint for the software that is produced from it.
If you are interested to learn more about this topic you can watch some of Charles Simonyi's presentations on YouTube on this topic, they are long but worth a listen.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=charles+simonyi
The dirty reality is that text is the lowest common denominator, and as such, most reusable.
Speaking of Microsoft, I would rather manage flat config files than structured registry editors.
We have stopped questioning certain things and take them for granted and those come with certain constraints and limit our progress.
(Such as the idea that any programming must involve editing text that is stored in a collection of files and folders)
I also think we under-estimate how pleasant a structured editor can be.
Most programmers associate those things with "toys" or think of them as not hardcore enough for their skills, some clunky drag-and-drop GUI editor that insults the mad skills of the precious programmer who has embedded vim/emacs bindings in his/her muscle memory.
It doesn't have to be that way. If it's flexible enough it can look almost like a plain text editor. But it would be one on steroids. It could do holy-grail stuff in terms of suggestions/intellisense/auto-complete and so on because of its rich understanding of the underlying structure.
I also don't miss the process of removing each extension one by one, rebooting each time to find the culprit.