But HN is so news oriented it doesn't give me the kind of hacker/entrepreneur community that I'm envisioning.
What are some other sites where hackers/entrepreneur go to just to ...
- discuss early stage startup ideas
- brainstorm implementations and solutions
- give each other feedback on prototypes
... as suppose to commenting on news? I guess like a forum?
Reading news gets old after a while and makes me feel like I'm just a follower not a leader.
I'm planning to start a web community if there isn't one. I did a survey to see if people would be interested here:
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1358654
But that post quickly got drown out by the noon news flood, which is part of the problem that I'm talking about.
(P.S. I do go to real-life meetups of hackers/founders. Those are great but scarce. The only good one I have been to so far in the Bay Area is "hackers and founders". And they don't even meet that often in San Francisco.)
http://www.reddit.com/r/somethingimade/
http://www.reddit.com/r/longtext/
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/
http://www.reddit.com/r/PhilosophyofScience/
http://www.reddit.com/r/cogsci/
http://www.reddit.com/r/startups/
http://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/
http://www.reddit.com/r/SomebodyMakeThis/
http://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/
http://www.reddit.com/r/gamedev/
http://www.reddit.com/r/shamelessplug/
http://www.reddit.com/r/Freethought/
Not all of these subreddits are busy but it doesn't matter. I have over 50 hand-selected subreddits and even though I removed all of the popular subreddits (reddit.com, politics, pics etc.), I always see very interesting articles. And the number of comments in each article is usually between 10-50, kinda like HN.
If any of the subreddit starts to get too popular and mainstream, usually 2-3 new subreddits popup that are more specific and interesting. Once a week I spend a few minutes looking for new interesting subreddits. http://www.reddit.com/r/newreddits/ helps with that too.
If you really want to start a web-community, just ask for mod permissions on a few subreddits that interest you. I'd much rather click once to join a subreddit and view its articles during my regular reddit browsing than go to whole another site. I wish HN was available as a subreddit. I would never have to go to another news site.
This will aggregate all of those subreddits in to a single view.
Bingo! I think this is the solution to the eternal September effect on communities.
You get a super nice place like reddit when it was new and shiny and over time it gets taken over by trolls. So you move on to startup news, then hacker news, but soon that is filled with generic crap and shallow discussions as well.
So you move on to an individually selected group of sub-reddits and then just keep moving, like a nomad always moving away form the trolls. (Or not even necessarily trolls, just too much popularity which brings shallowness if no actual trolling.)
I strongly encourage everyone to try this. Keep in mind the default reddit includes subreddits like pics and WTF which basically equals 4chan, so quickly edit your settings.
Here are some more that might be of interest to the HN crowd:
http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/ (replace haskell with your language of choice, it's bound to exist)
http://www.reddit.com/r/netsec/
http://www.reddit.com/r/ReverseEngineering/
http://www.reddit.com/r/coding/ (a replacement for /r/programming, which has suffered due to its popularity)
http://www.reddit.com/r/solostartups/
I'm going to start posting my "Not quite formal enough for HN" stuff there, since I tend to be self conscious when posting stupid questions related to working on my startup alone to the general HN audience. It's not Hacker News' fault, I'm just to shy to put myself out in front of such a large audience most of the time.
http://www.reddit.com/r/learnit/
I've found the most useful time I spend online is reading good introductions to concepts/subjects I wish I knew more about, and I want to do more of it. Hence the subreddit.
It seems pointless to subscribe to new subreddits since you don't know whether they'll have traction. How can you find 'trending' subreddits?
Or am I thinking about this all wrong?
Other than that, http://allyourstartuparebelongto.us/ looks like it might be a promising alternative (although I hate the domain name with a passion).
If you like the ISV space, The Business of Software forums are good: http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/default.asp?biz
I would like something close to HN from 2 or 3 years ago if anyone happens to find it:
http://web.archive.org/web/20071031003304/http://news.ycombi...
The submission/banning criteria is actionable startup advice for tech startup founders. Relevant tech is OK as long as it directly relates to or is obviously useful to startups. No news. And no politics, economics, science, etc. unless it meets the startup criteria.
The site is running open source reddit, so there is ample opportunity to hack it as well. I've done a few minor things, and I plan to add email notifications as well. Feel free to fork reddit on github and play around.
startuphacker.com
hackerbusiness.com (or hackerbiz.com)
businesshacker.net
hackerventure.com
foundernews.com
foundermaker.com
beafounder.com
techstarting.com
techmaker.com
founderstart.com
makerstart.com
(As an aside, I'm always impressed at how quickly you respond to criticism, even minor nits like domain names)There are times when I'd like to discuss things, seek support, and learn from what others are doing in a more casual setting. HN is great for learning but as a community for informal discussion, it seems just a tad heavyweight.
It sounds like I should just go ahead and start this entrepreneur forum that I'm envisioning.
[Good idea]
[Ignorance]
[Mistake]
[Disagree with idea]
It would be more difficult to represent the frontpage, etc. Basically, things would cluster based on 'goals' or axes or what have you. But it might make reading things even more easy. It would be sort of tagging meets voting (but not really 'subject tagging' a la blogs or news websites, but 'response tagging').The cool (and time-saving) thing would be that you could drift towards response tags that interest you as a reader. Per HN topic. And per HN globally.
Anyway, just an idea if anyone is thinking of experimenting with a new HN....
Ideally, I think you'd make the system as bottom-up as possible. There wouldn't be a set list of 'response tags' or 'vote tags', but there would be commonly-used ones that were readily accessible. Anyway, semantic-voting-ish.
And for those of you about to down-vote this comment: where are the articles pointing out the problems with HN, where are the articles showing the flaws in Lisp, where are the articles which denounce venture-capital-funded startups as the snake-oil of the modern age?
"But those positions are wrong!", the puppeteers cry. Really? Last time I checked, questioning conventional wisdom is what made the modern western world possible.
I've been reading about Lisp since I first learned of its existence in the early 90s. In all that time I can't think of a really good critical article that I've read about Lisp (there is some decent stuff about the various drawbacks of Common Lisp, or Scheme, or Lisp-1 vs Lisp-2, etc. And then there's some really bad stuff that's just old recycled FUD), but nothing good that really attacks Lisp as a whole critically.
I bet if such an article was written, it would actually get very far on Hacker News indeed. I'd certainly be interested to read it!
This one's on the front page.
"where are the articles which denounce venture-capital-funded startups as the snake-oil of the modern age"
Anything and everything from 37signals usually hits the front page.
Easy. Worse is better:
I don't think HN has jumped any sharks in this respect. But we do get a lot more "popular" articles now, and these lead to a lot of controversial-but-substanceless comments, which are annoying. (And I'm not saying I'm not guilty of writing comments like that, BTW.)
like this one?
There's guidelines telling you what to do with this feedback. Better to contact them directly with feedback than post an article.
> where are the articles showing the flaws in Lisp
Heresy. Lisp has no flaws. But I'd read a well written article on the subject.
> where are the articles which denounce venture-capital-funded startups as the snake-oil of the modern age
I remember reading plenty of those. There is a lot of information/articles around about bootstrapping and running without VC funding. It does help to browse around rather than just reading the homepage. Some good articles unfortunately don't get the upvotes they deserve. C'est la vie.
The design of HN is news oriented, not discussion or community oriented. And because it doesn't have categories, when the amount of submission reaches a certain size, up-voting "new" posts has marginal effect compares to random floods of submissions.
A year and half ago, I was reading every "new" post, because I wanted to be fair, but it's just not feasible right now.
If people were more selective with their upvotes the front page wouldn't be filled with <topic of the day> articles.
I have a hard time upvoting articles; Although I may have found an article interesting, I'm not sure if it deserves to be on the front page. I find it easier to say this shouldn't be on the front page (Lately I've found myself saying that about many of the articles that are).
Maybe flagging/downvoting articles should be promoted to keep things off of the front page instead. (don't think you can downvote articles)
http://blog.stackexchange.com/post/518474918/stack-exchange-...
And don't forget good ol' Slashdot. Alot of the old trolls moved on the new hotness social media sites.
Ever since my last two submissions(interesting technical articles which should appeal to hackers imho) sank without a trace, I have been looking for an alternative myself. I wonder if (and this maybe blasphemy) whether three distinct sub-yc s for hacking/startups/other-intellectually-interesting-stuff may not solve the problem.
Unless you keep raising karma thresholds for moderation and posting to keep the where-is-the-next-Digg crowd out.
A small niche mailinglist is probably the closest thing to a real online community, for two reasons:
- relevant emails always get read by everyone in the mailing list - people read emails anyway, so there's less step involved as suppose to going to a website to read posts.
But a conventional mailinglist is not scalable - some of the lists I'm in get so many posts everyday that I become de-sensitzed to them.
There's a solution however.
The way to keep the posts relevant is to sub-categorize them much like subreddit, but that's also work and it's manual. That's where NLP and machine learning comes in so that the system can learn your preference and only email you the relevant posts. Of course, you also get an option to receive less-relevant posts too.
(I should probably make this into a post as suppose to a comment.)
Great find, by the way.
We also launched a product called HelpaStartupOut.com where startups and founders can post feedback, post educational articles, jobs etc. It's a simplified classified service for startups.
@jaytee_clone check it out and would love to hear feedback, the project is still very new chris [at] thestartupdigest.com
But for people who feel that way, maybe we should have a "HN-unplugged" or "bleeding edge HN" forum.