Then this government actually had some irregularities which have been ignored in other situations, but this time they are using it to process the president, which are going to be judged or not if Senate understand that she didn't commit any crime.
Media here always supported one side only, I don't remember seeing it divided.
The process she is going through is not about corruption, is about fiscal responsibility, some money had to be passed to public banks and the government delayed it to close the balance without showing some financial problems.
It is not a matter of believing, but looking at the facts. Dilma is right when she says that since the beginning of the second term, congress has not done anything good.
And you should know that there is no evidence whatsoever that the president committed the crime that she is accused of. Nothing! not even a single shred of proof that she did anything against the law.
Presidents may not be impeached because other politicians do not like her. A president is choosen by the people to serve the country and the other politicians must respect the wishes of the people.
Not true. There are leftist magazine, blogs (some of them got gov's money) that support Dilma and PT. There are also colunists on both sides that got space in newspapers.
In TV ok, there are not television hosts or journalists openly in defense of the government or against the impeachment. But I really don't see this "media is always against me" thing.
There is not a single piece of evidence that indicates that Dilma could be a thief, or that she broke any law. So she has to stay.
She has to stay to prevent that the thieves like Temer and Cunha take over.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luiz_In%C3%A1cio_Lula_da_Silva...
There is at least enough proof that Dilma went out of her way to end a lead in investigations that would have led to her if she is/was involved.
https://www.google.com.br/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http...
Contrary to what we see in the US, where each network favors a specific side (Fox, MSNBC), in BR the main print and TV media are all in one side of the aisle. While the internet helps, most people in BR don't read anything that isn't posted on Facebook. This, IMO, is the biggest problem with the way things are being debated and decided here.
I'm Brazilian and that is not true. Leftist love to talk about the how media is always against his side.
They also say that what is in the process is a crime. But she just moved money from one place to another, in order to keep social programs running. Did she delay banks payments for this money? Yes, but also paying all interest rates later on as well. So it is not about getting some illegal loan, it was all about delaying payments. Same acts are and were done by other governments, including state and presidential up to today. Will they also be removed? Sure not.
Unfortunately, the reality is these people want to open up the country to external investments by means of allowing the use of natural resources by international companies. This is what being planned with, for eg., Pre-Salt layer. The new ministries which are going to take over the current ones, in case of victory, were all-in for such a bill just approved in Senate.
They are trading six of one for half a dozen of the other, playing with Constitutional mechanisms which are there to protect the country, not to be used as in a Parliamentarism system. The real problem is in the old thinking people of the lower house and Senate, owners of big amounts of lands, supporters of current great media and stealers. Just look at who started this whole process, a guy accused at the Panama Papers of laundering money in Switzerland. Who is he? The President of the lower house, Eduardo Cunha. The guy who is leading this take over. That's just stupidity to support..
That is just the lie that she and her party are saying to justify. What put social programs in danger was the incompetency of her government in economy.
> it was all about delaying payments.
No, it was about fiscal fraud. There is law against it.
>Unfortunately, the reality is these people want to open up the country to external investments by means of allowing the use of natural resources by international companies. This is what being planned with, for eg., Pre-Salt layer...
This and the rest are just leftist bullshit.
YES, Cunha is a thieve and a corrupt. But he was was not the sole responsible for the impeachment, 367 lower house members vote for the impeachment. Senate will vote for it too. And the supreme court is overviewing the whole process. So why don't stop this BS about the whole process being invalid because of cunha.
So it all boils downs to differences of opinion. That may not be a reason to impeach a president! The president was chosen by the people and the other politicians must respect the opinion of the people.
Yes, nobody is perfect and I also do not think that Dilma is very competent. But I think that Dilma does not take bribes from nobody. Temer and Cunha do.
Brazil is degrading itself from a third world country to a lawless fourth world country with the impeachment of Dilma.
We are here debating and this is really of little importance. What is important is what happens with the economy in Brazil. Do you really think that Temer and his friends will do something good for Brazil. Have you heard from them what they will do to stimulate the economy? Because cost cutting seems easy but is not. The best way out is to stimulate the economy. People must have trust to invest, to start a new business and to expand. Do you think that Temer and his friends give this trust to Brazil?
Do not forget that foreign investors are allergic for political instability. Impeaching a chosen president without a good reason is the best way to keep foreign investors away.
1) they voted for impeachment in the name of their sons, their city and their country and showed hate against the president. 2) none of them accused the president of wrongdoing. None stated that the president should be impeached because she broke the law.
This shows very clearly what the motives of the politicians are: we want to get rid of this president becuase we do not like her and we use any illegal excuse to do it. I feel embarrassed living in Brazil.
Lula is a master demagogue.
Imagine what the $2B dollars stolen from Petrobras, while Dilma was minister for Energy and Mines, would do to the education levels in Brazil.
I'm ashamed that all of PT is not already in jail.
Dilma was chairperson of the board of Petrobras during the entirety of the scandal. Given the magnitude of the corruption, either she was involved or was incompetent. Furthermore, her administration has cooked the books in terms of reporting on the economic health of the country and her administration is responsible for the biggest economic decline in years. Furthermore, we can't really investigate wrongdoing because without things getting political because the constitution in Brazil makes it so only the STF, the equivalent of SCOTUS, is allowed to investigate and bring to trial the president and congresspeople. This bottle neck and the politics of bringing a trial mean that almost no one can be investigated. Dilma even used this fact to shield the former president from investigation by appointing him to a cabinet position just as he was about to be deposed.
I'm not saying those other side of this (politicians and media) are without wrongdoing. He does a good job of pointing out why they are scum too, but to gloss over many details in order to make Dilma out to be some sort of blameless victim of injustice is laughable.
No one on either side of the aisle is innocent in all this. It's positively shameful.
