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0 pointsrezistik10y ago0 comments

I think culturally, and perhaps it's generational as a Millennial but I doubt that[1], I think culturally we have to ask ourselves why people work? I don't have enough information to state this factually, hopefully if someone does they'll chime in but maybe the reasons we wake up and go to work are changing.

If we are moving towards a society where we look more for meaning than for money we can very easily come to the conclusion that basic income wouldn't break the economy, but bolster it. Instead of doing menial labor to pay bills we'd try harder to find our way as artists, engineers and other specialized trades that offer fulfillment. Certainly some people will use their basic income to avoid work, but what is the percentage of that? I don't know many people who embrace boredom. Most people want to do something of value, and many people need to do something of value.

We are either approaching a reality we as humans have always wanted or shifting our societies desires depending on historical information(that I don't have).

Inching closer and closer to post-scarcity will be very interesting indeed.

[1]I don't think Millennial's are all that special even if we think we are.

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dnautics10y ago· 2 in thread

Because working ensures that you're doing something that is useful to someone else.

"Most people want to do something of value."

A universal basic income is kind of this wierd bourgeois selfish projection wrapped in this veneer of being altruistic: To be 'freed to do whatever one prefers' is really saying "I want to do what I want, regardless of whether or not it's socially beneficial".

The wierd thing about free markets is that although one can be selfish and money-grubbing, even the most mendacious and stingy person must do something in the service of another to accrue capital.

TeMPOraL10y ago

> The wierd thing about free markets is that although one can be selfish and money-grubbing, even the most mendacious and stingy person must do something in the service of another to accrue capital.

And the failure mode of that is people ending up doing things in service on someone else that do a net damage to society, while other people do something in service of someone else to undo the work of the first group. Not to mention people stuck in positive feedback loops that waste increasing amount of resources on cancelling each other out. See marketing for a good example.

Just because something is useful to someone, doesn't mean it should be done.

rezistikOP10y ago

My argument is that people will desire valuable labor because well, we already do. We prefer being valuable to boredom.

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