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0 pointsVeratyr10y ago0 comments

Cloud Foundry requires a ton of (compute) overhead to get set up. It's very much intended for large projects. Hell, you need a separate VM just to install it.

For anyone looking at a Dokku alternative, Cloud Foundry isn't one.

Openshift is nice though.

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jeffh10y ago

Actually it's quite possible to run a full Cloud Foundry environment in a single VM, as seen with Stackato (http://www.stackato.com/), which can then be scaled out as necessary.

helloiamaperson10y ago

> Hell, you need a separate VM just to install it.

I'm not sure why that's a problem. If you want something that's actually like heroku like in terms of uptime and what not, you need something that can manage the health of the cluster. Dokku's cool, but it doesn't make sense for anything you actually need to depend on. If it doesn't make sense to pay for the overhead of running your own paas, just use Heroku instead.

merb10y ago

Heroku isn't cheap. And to run a small PaaS like alternative there are many many more solutions that are way better and faster and more secure than Cloud Foundry. Hell I mean did you even read the requirements of Cloud Foundry, it takes a hell lot of everything just to manage a few boxes. Also CF comes from Pivotal, listen to the talks they made, they say, start out small, however starting out small with CF is just impossible.

And OpenShift ist great, especially Origin M5 which is coming, soon tm.

parasubvert10y ago

"are way better and faster and more secure than Cloud Foundry"

Like how? Better, okay it's in the eye of the beholder. But secure? Faster? Shenanigans.

IF you want to just get started with Cloud Foundry, you install Lattice, it's one VM. In an HA setup (not the target but possible), it's 5 VMs.

Cloud foundry is about 20 VMs, and is what happens when you say "and then I want..." About 5 times: multi tenancy, role based access control, auto recovery health management, service brokerage, multiple DNS domains, app staging, etc. wherein people will otherwise just build on their own ...

benblack10y ago

Lattice is a more minimalist approach, for those who desire the production hardened core of Cloud Foundry but prefer to bring their own PaaS components or simply experiment.

http://lattice.cf/

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