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0 pointscwyers11y ago0 comments

I don't know that the definitional argument is worth having, but Python is more mainstream than Dart by a good deal.

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tmc211y ago· 5 in thread

I didn't realize factual corrections need to be cleared by a committee that decides which languages matter.

("More mainstream" is a moving goalpost fallacy.)

Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy". It was stated from the starting comment that he was talking about a "mainstream" language.

Of course the "mainstreamity" of languages is hard to determine, but Dart is so low in any kind of related metric that makes this a non-issue.

Let's put it this way: the Dart team announced a few months ago that they'd be concentrating on transpiling [1] and they won't put the VM officially in Chrome, and nobody gave much of a fuck judging from reactions in blogs, forums, HN etc.

If a mainstream language changed something, even something minor, there would have been blood (as it often happens).

[1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/2902074/javascript/google-d...

tmc211y ago

> nobody gave much of a fuck

I don't at all mind your saying so, but it might be frowned on around here.

> Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy".

Why can't you read?

wtallis11y ago

Would you care to propose an objective criterion by which Dart is within an order of magnitude of the popularity or prevalence of Python?

munificent11y ago

That depends on if you define "mainstream" to mean "lots of users" or "similar to the kinds of things with lots of users".

If I write songs that sound like Taylor Swift but no one knows who I am, do I make "mainstream" music? Personally, I would say yes.

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tmc211y ago

That's a loaded question, in that it's notoriously difficult to measure, and you already know the answer, but here:

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....

Surprised?

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tmc211y ago· 5 in thread

I didn't realize factual corrections need to be cleared by a committee that decides which languages matter.

("More mainstream" is a moving goalpost fallacy.)

coldtea11y ago

Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy". It was stated from the starting comment that he was talking about a "mainstream" language.

Of course the "mainstreamity" of languages is hard to determine, but Dart is so low in any kind of related metric that makes this a non-issue.

Let's put it this way: the Dart team announced a few months ago that they'd be concentrating on transpiling [1] and they won't put the VM officially in Chrome, and nobody gave much of a fuck judging from reactions in blogs, forums, HN etc.

If a mainstream language changed something, even something minor, there would have been blood (as it often happens).

[1] http://www.infoworld.com/article/2902074/javascript/google-d...

tmc211y ago

> nobody gave much of a fuck

I don't at all mind your saying so, but it might be frowned on around here.

> Mainstream is not a "moving goalpost fallacy".

Why can't you read?

wtallis11y ago

Would you care to propose an objective criterion by which Dart is within an order of magnitude of the popularity or prevalence of Python?

munificent11y ago

That depends on if you define "mainstream" to mean "lots of users" or "similar to the kinds of things with lots of users".

If I write songs that sound like Taylor Swift but no one knows who I am, do I make "mainstream" music? Personally, I would say yes.

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tmc211y ago

That's a loaded question, in that it's notoriously difficult to measure, and you already know the answer, but here:

http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index....

Surprised?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse