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> Can you point out where I suggested that all users of Apple products are brainwashed?

I never accused you of saying all users of Apple products are brainwashed. Misrepresenting my comment isn't a very effective strategy when my comment is right there for everyone to read. And you very specifically used the term "brainwashee" in the context of Apple users, so yes you did in fact accuse some users of Apple products of being brainwashed.

> I didn't make the argument you thought I did

You said the Apple customer base has "a lot of True Believers" and having people you think are "brainwash[ed]". That's not a description I'd expect to see anyone use for any company other than Apple (even if you personally think there are customers of other companies that exhibit the same traits, you almost certainly wouldn't think to apply those specific labels). Which is why I asked my question. Why do you think those labels are appropriate, and what portion of Apple's customer base do you think they apply to? If you think that this description is only appropriate for a very small number of people, why even bring it up? If you think it applies to a large number of people, what justification do you have for describing Apple's user base as if it were a cult and do you really think that this does anything other than make anyone reading your comment dismiss it out of hand (which is the same general reaction to a comment including the word "fanboy").

> I don't really need any straw men.

Do you actually know what a straw man argument is, or are you just using the term to try and shut down conversation?

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joshuapants11y ago· 1 in thread

>I never accused you of saying all users of Apple products

> when they accuse Apple users of

I did not accuse Apple users in general, just a set of them.

> even if you personally think there are customers of other companies that exhibit the same traits, you almost certainly wouldn't think to apply those specific labels

Yes, I would, and I do.

> Why do you think those labels are appropriate

Because they accurately describe the groups I apply them to.

> what portion of Apple's customer base do you think they apply to?

A significant portion of their vocal user base.

> If you think that this description is only appropriate for a very small number of people, why even bring it up?

Because they are the loudest ones and they lower the signal-to-noise ratio considerably. Why do you care that I bring it up?

> Do you actually know what a straw man argument is

Yes, you are deliberately misrepresenting my argument so you can appear to have successfully attacked it. And now you are trying to belittle my intelligence by accusing me of not knowing what a strawman is and that I'm attempting to "shut down conversation" (which is laughable, here in a public comments thread, where I have no ability to shut down anything). Given your defensiveness, intellectual dishonesty, and inability to read a dissenting opinion without exploding, I have to imagine that you are one of the True Believers.

edit: just so we're clear, that last line was sarcastic, so please don't have a conniption

eridiusOP11y ago

I thought we were having a debate in good faith. It's clear that you're not interested in doing so, and instead are attempting to "win" on technicalities (such as your continued insistence that I claimed you thought all Apple users were brainwashed), and have now resorted to personal insults and gross misrepresentation of my words. I don't understand why you're behaving this way. I thought my question was fairly straightforward, but you seem to be doing your best to avoid having to answer it. If you don't want to answer, then just don't reply.

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