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0 pointsNicoJuicy11y ago0 comments

In this particular case, i'd prefer Windows above Oracle (Java) anytime, considering they deliver malware with their Java Setup...

Edit: Some people give a link to an alterantive download without malware... You know 99% of all Java downloads don't know that, do you?

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pjmlp11y ago

There isn't any malware when downloading from

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde...

Or when packaging the Java application with the runtime

http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/tools/windows...

Or using one of the commercial JVMs that compile Java to native code

Or just bothering to read the dialog when installing it from Java.com.

While it is true the bundling shouldn't exist in the first place, any knowledgeable Java developer knows how to get applications deployed without it being an issue.

Actually my biggest problem with Java is Google dragging its feets and making the Android fragmentation a return of the J2ME headaches. Sun and Oracle were right all along.

brudgers11y ago

My son gets the Ask crapware whenever he updates Java to play MineCraft on his computer. He's a child, not a Java Developer. He just wants to play MineCraft and Java is in his way and the Crapware loads by opt out.

chokolad11y ago

There is a new installer available for windows version of Minecraft which has a private version of JRE and does not require standard system-wide version of Java installed.

https://minecraft.net/download

Minecraft for Windows Download and run Minecraft.msi. This will install Minecraft and create a shortcut in your start menu. If you'd like a version without an installer, you may use Minecraft.exe instead. You do not need Java installed to run either of these.

pjmlp11y ago

You might see it differently, but I never let kids update software on their own.

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Mindless211211y ago

Apparently, you can turn the crapware offer off.

https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/disable_offers.xml

Lawtonfogle11y ago

My concern here isn't for myself. I tend to know how to avoid the malware. My concern is how they are treating the average downloader.

khoffrath11y ago

You can download installers without the malware from their technetwork: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde...

throwawayaway11y ago

i just don't install programs that include malware. i can do without it. in all cases, i can get around it. i don't care enough to.

i use 0 programs made in java on my desktop/laptop. it makes sense on a server, it doesn't belong on the desktop, the malware is just another reason.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

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pjmlp11y ago

There isn't any malware when downloading from

http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde...

Or when packaging the Java application with the runtime

http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/tools/windows...

Or using one of the commercial JVMs that compile Java to native code

Or just bothering to read the dialog when installing it from Java.com.

While it is true the bundling shouldn't exist in the first place, any knowledgeable Java developer knows how to get applications deployed without it being an issue.

Actually my biggest problem with Java is Google dragging its feets and making the Android fragmentation a return of the J2ME headaches. Sun and Oracle were right all along.

brudgers11y ago

chokolad11y ago

There is a new installer available for windows version of Minecraft which has a private version of JRE and does not require standard system-wide version of Java installed.

https://minecraft.net/download

pjmlp11y ago

You might see it differently, but I never let kids update software on their own.

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Mindless211211y ago

Apparently, you can turn the crapware offer off.

https://www.java.com/en/download/faq/disable_offers.xml

Lawtonfogle11y ago

My concern here isn't for myself. I tend to know how to avoid the malware. My concern is how they are treating the average downloader.

khoffrath11y ago

You can download installers without the malware from their technetwork: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/downloads/inde...

throwawayaway11y ago

i just don't install programs that include malware. i can do without it. in all cases, i can get around it. i don't care enough to.

i use 0 programs made in java on my desktop/laptop. it makes sense on a server, it doesn't belong on the desktop, the malware is just another reason.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse