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0 pointsyummyfajitas11y ago0 comments

Cluster then in a single, easily avoided neighborhood. Its one thing to ask productive people to give up their income to support the unproductive - its another to ask them to be victims of violence.

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kasey_junk11y ago· 2 in thread

The problem with this form of hyper-libertarianism is that a large percentage of the people your are consigning to your "unproductive" ghetto are children who are not productive in or out of these neighborhoods and who had no agency in the process that got them placed there.

So you've doubled down on the hardship these children have to overcome. Even if you are ok with this from a moral perspective (which is a pretty high bar to get over in my opinion) it seems like a pretty ineffective way to limit the number of "unproductive" in your society.

yummyfajitasOP11y ago

From what I see, a fixed number of people will be subject to the predatory behavior of the underclass. We are collectively unwilling to fix this. I don't see a compelling reason why it matters which children are victimized this way.

Now if you want to say that none should be, I agree. Find a way to stop crime. Spreading crime around is not that way.

(FYI my thinking on this issue draws far more from neo reactionaries than libertarians.)

com2kid11y ago

> Spreading crime around is not that way.

There is also the idea that by separating out problem elements, that in the long term you decrease overall crime.

A child in a ghetto who knows not of the potential for escape will likely stay in that ghetto. A child who is surrounded by choices, options, and multiple role models has a choice to make.

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maxerickson11y ago· 2 in thread

That's a reasonable description of a prison.

yummyfajitasOP11y ago

A prison is a place you are not allowed to leave. In contrast, I encourage everyone in public housing to find a job and leave.

maxerickson11y ago

Is it just received wisdom that Cluster then in a single, easily avoided neighborhood [that is apparently violent] is the best way to accomplish everyone in public housing to find a job and leave?

aosmith11y ago

Creating ghettos isn't the answer. Letting the free market dictate where people live is a much better solution.

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kasey_junk11y ago· 2 in thread

yummyfajitasOP11y ago

Now if you want to say that none should be, I agree. Find a way to stop crime. Spreading crime around is not that way.

(FYI my thinking on this issue draws far more from neo reactionaries than libertarians.)

com2kid11y ago

> Spreading crime around is not that way.

There is also the idea that by separating out problem elements, that in the long term you decrease overall crime.

A child in a ghetto who knows not of the potential for escape will likely stay in that ghetto. A child who is surrounded by choices, options, and multiple role models has a choice to make.

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maxerickson11y ago· 2 in thread

That's a reasonable description of a prison.

yummyfajitasOP11y ago

A prison is a place you are not allowed to leave. In contrast, I encourage everyone in public housing to find a job and leave.

maxerickson11y ago

aosmith11y ago

Creating ghettos isn't the answer. Letting the free market dictate where people live is a much better solution.

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