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0 pointsreledi11y ago0 comments

Sounds about right. Coming from a Python background to Ruby, I think there's more to it though. For example, Ruby version managers such as rvm and rbenv help a lot with keeping the community moving forward. Python has virtualenv but it always felt awkward to me compared to what Ruby has.

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jrochkind111y ago

Interesting, I haven't worked in python, but I was always jealous of python having a single 'official' solution in virtualenv, instead of ruby, where it's confusing for newcomers to figure out which one they should be using (rvm? rbenv? chruby?), and each solution has it's annoyances and problems. I always thought it would be better if the community unified it's efforts behind one solution and made sure it was bug-free, and where the language's binaries or behaviors might actually be changed when needed to support that solution.

Maybe it's just the grass is always greener.

weaksauce11y ago

Since you haven't used it you don't know how awkward it is compared to the Ruby iterations. Let's just say virtualenv and the packaging ecosystem is what drew me away from Python.

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nileshtrivedi11y ago

Ideally, the operating system's package manager is supposed to solve this. User-installable alternative versions shouldn't be that hard.

berdario11y ago

You have a plethora of similar tools in the python world as well:

- Pythonz

- Conda

- Pew (disclaimer: I'm the author)

- Virtualenvwrapper

- Pyenv

Etc.

If you argue that people might not move to the latest and greatest as soon as possible due to the fact that people don't build their own interpreter, I can definitely agree with it: python users seem to truly prefer the python version that already comes pre-installed with their linux distribution

relediOP11y ago

> python users seem to truly prefer the python version that already comes pre-installed with their linux distribution

Definitely. It's not that Python doesn't have the tools to switch between versions, but it's not as prevalent as is in the Ruby community. Most Python users will start their program with shebangs like

    #!/usr/bin/env python

or if they want Python 3+

    #!/usr/bin/env python3

while not necessarily using tools like virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper.

I feel like shebangs are not as commonly used in Ruby, instead you use tools and your Gemfile to specify Ruby version.

alxndr11y ago

Unfortunately that's lead me to need to specify my intended ruby version in several places on a ruby project (.ruby-version, Gemfile, CI config file...)

weaksauce11y ago

Well, Ruby version and the versions of all your dependencies and the versions of gems for different environments.

kennyledet11y ago

pythonz looks great, thanks

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jrochkind111y ago

Maybe it's just the grass is always greener.

weaksauce11y ago

Since you haven't used it you don't know how awkward it is compared to the Ruby iterations. Let's just say virtualenv and the packaging ecosystem is what drew me away from Python.

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nileshtrivedi11y ago

Ideally, the operating system's package manager is supposed to solve this. User-installable alternative versions shouldn't be that hard.

berdario11y ago

You have a plethora of similar tools in the python world as well:

- Pythonz

- Conda

- Pew (disclaimer: I'm the author)

- Virtualenvwrapper

- Pyenv

Etc.

relediOP11y ago

> python users seem to truly prefer the python version that already comes pre-installed with their linux distribution

    #!/usr/bin/env python

or if they want Python 3+

    #!/usr/bin/env python3

while not necessarily using tools like virtualenv and virtualenvwrapper.

I feel like shebangs are not as commonly used in Ruby, instead you use tools and your Gemfile to specify Ruby version.

alxndr11y ago

Unfortunately that's lead me to need to specify my intended ruby version in several places on a ruby project (.ruby-version, Gemfile, CI config file...)

weaksauce11y ago

Well, Ruby version and the versions of all your dependencies and the versions of gems for different environments.

kennyledet11y ago

pythonz looks great, thanks

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse