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0 pointsmarknutter11y ago0 comments

It shares more than just the name. The Angular rewrite was unavoidable if they had any hope of integrating seamlessly with web components. They also remove a lot of the concepts that people lambasted Angular 1.0 for and end up with a much more elegant framework. It seems they were damned whether or not they wrote Angular 2.0 - people would either bitch about the current framework for being convoluted in places or bitch about the new one for having breaking changes.

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joesmo11y ago· 2 in thread

I don't see anything else that it meaningfully shares with Angular 1, certainly nothing that warrants keeping the name the same. What people are bitching about now is that Angular is essentially deprecated and a dead project: in other words, Google's spectacular failure at maintaining the project. That applies to both Angular 1 and 2 now, as it's clear to me and plenty of other devs that Google is simply not serious in this space (not to mention that Angular 1 wasn't all that great to begin with when used for anything but simple apps). I think it'd be foolish to choose Angular 1 or 2 at this point, knowing that there will be literally no support from the creators. Other frameworks do this as well, just not on such a short timescale.

marknutterOP11y ago

> What people are bitching about now is that Angular is essentially deprecated and a dead project: in other words, Google's spectacular failure at maintaining the project

You keep using the term "Google" as though it represents a single, unified entity aligned on all fronts. Angular was never an official initiative within Google and its usage within Google is actually pretty limited. It's a Google framework in name only. It grew organically out of one small team's (who happened to work at Google) desire to simplify the rewrite of a very large legacy web app (DoubleClick). It's no more "Google Angular" than Bootstrap is "Twitter Bootstrap", which was another project that started within large, recognizable company but wasn't officially initiated or mandated by said company. I'm sure Google employees are sick of people lumping them into one big group and making blanket statements such as the ones you made in your comment.

> I don't see anything else that it meaningfully shares with Angular 1

Then you haven't been paying attention. Angular 2.0 still has dependency injection, directives, two-way binding, scopes, routing, and more. Directives are being renamed to match more common terminology and scopes are now just implied but these are improvements, not removals.

> I think it'd be foolish to choose Angular 1 or 2 at this point, knowing that there will be literally no support from the creators.

This is just FUD. The creators have said they will continue supporting Angular 1.0 well after Angular 2.0 is released; they even hired a few people recently to do just that. And there are core contributors out there who don't work for Google who will likely keep supporting Angular 1.0 for as long as it makes sense to. It's open source, after all. And to say that Angular 2.0 will receive "literally no support from the creators" is simply trolling.

joesmo11y ago

Whether or not the creators are mainly Google based or not, it doesn't change the fact that their support is unreliable and untrustworthy. It's not trolling for me to express my opinion as such. If they're so quick to abandon Angular 1 (about 2 years since the stable release), they're likely to do it again. This isn't a technology issue, it's a trust issue. All this so they can create a more "elegant framework" that's likely to be more of the same. Also, just because the 2.0 release uses general concepts and design patterns that 1.0 also happens to use (DI, routing, two-way binding, etc.) doesn't make it an upgrade. That's akin to saying they're both Javascript, so they must have something in common. Ridiculous.

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