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0 pointsbkor11y ago0 comments

systemd provides things and does things that are useful. That is why GNOME depends on those. Blaming us? Try actually understanding why. It's not a hard dependency btw, you still have ConsoleKit support. A project not maintained for almost 3 years or so. Then there is that systemd-shim. Initially very very buggy, but now ok-ish. OpenBSD is working on some shim thing as well.

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erhardm11y ago· 2 in thread

Others working on systemd shims out of necessity is a sign, IMHO, that systemd is in reality a hard dependency in the near future (and developers trying to free from that dependency). I don't say systemd is not useful, GNOME using it shows also to good sides of it, but others feeling a little forced to choose systemd or The Unix Way I think is the wrong way to do it. Why can't we have both(modern init system and unix philosophy)? Not possible? Not enough interest/resources?

bkorOP11y ago

You're conflicting things. GNOME doesn't rely on systemd, it wants an API (a few actually, but AFAIK the only difficult one is the bits from logind). The entire API is hard to implement. The parts that GNOME uses maybe can be implemented by someone else. Maybe not. Someone from GNOME tried to do that for FreeBSD but gave up after a while (problem was the lack of interest, difficulty combined with not being a *BSD person). KDE also will use a small part of logind in case you use libinput as well as Wayland. But again it doesn't rely on systemd, it wants a dbus API.

If someone makes something else, go for it. But API wise it is best to stay the same.

e762011y ago

> GNOME doesn't rely on systemd, it wants an API

The problem is the following: GNOME depending on GTK+? Just an API.

Of course, it's not your fault, the problem is systemd developers don't want to separate the components as individual programs. So if you want to use logind you also have to install the whole systemd, requiring linux to boot. (pun not intended)

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