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0 pointssuperuser211y ago0 comments

100% of network services "track" their users' IP addresses. Every website that is accessible outside of Tor can see its users' IPs. That is the nature of TCP/IP.

You act like this is a deliberate violation of privacy. I don't know what to say, except that you're wrong.

If you ask a question, you consent to be "tracked" to the extent necessary to deliver an answer to you. On the internet, that means IP address.

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moxie11y ago· 3 in thread

I don't know what to say, except that you're right. This is the problem that Tor is trying to solve, which is why Tor gets to claim that it is "anonymous," and random websites or apps don't get to make that claim.

I don't think it's a deliberate violation of privacy to operate a website, but I do think that it's a violation to operate a normal website and call it "anonymous." Because, as you point out, it's not.

Not only does it confuse users in the immediate sense, but it poisons the well for everyone who is approaching the problems seriously in the long term.

superuser2OP11y ago

It's "anonymous" if it doesn't publish your name/identifier alongside your content. 4chan is anonymous. When you use it, you are anonymous to the people reading your comments.

Does this app pretend at any point that its operators couldn't identify users if they wanted to? That would be dishonest. But what word do you expect them to use for "your name will not be published" besides "anonymous"?

tptacek11y ago

This is a useless definition of "anonymous". It's anonymous to the extent that you care about 4chan, but not anonymous to the extent that you care about prosecution.

Where on Whisper's site do they say "this site is anonymous, but it is not safe enough to publish anything with legal implications"? I looked.

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famousactress11y ago

I think they essentially do, which is part of @moxie's point about can't vs won't. Above the CTO says "I can't tell you who a user is without them posting their actual personal information", which is very misleading to the general public without the addendum: "...unless I try to".

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