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0 pointsAlyssaRowan11y ago0 comments

Having seen a few existing designs of those, up-close and personal - actually they do have to worry about zeroisation, quite an awful lot.

And sometimes they don't worry enough either. They ought to fail a FIPS-style audit for that. But, well... they ought not to contain proprietary LFSR "crypto" algorithms, either. They are not as well audited, or as publicly designed, as they ought to be: many are as black-box closed-source as they could possibly be.

They tend to be based on extraordinarily old architectures with new bits glued on - think Intel 8051, that kind of era. If you're really lucky you might get an ARM, or at least a Thumb. People making them are notoriously hyper-conservative (most don't support ECC yet, and many don't even go above RSA-2048 or SHA-1 without going to firmware), and minimise any changes, perhaps for cost reasons, the effects of which are not always positive (actually, CFRG are discussing that general area right now in the context of side-channnel defences for elliptic-curve crypto).

So, how would you think that environment translates to writing secure firmware, or designing secure, state-of-the-art hardware? ;-)

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lazyjones11y ago

Are current GPUs suitable subsystems for running properly isolated cryptographic algorithms? If not, why not? If yes, perhaps a well-audited open source library would be possible.

AlyssaRowanOP11y ago

In the presence of closed-source drivers that manage them and compile the shaders? I'd say probably not. Something open-source with actual direct access to the opcodes (would Mantle work? Intel's embedded GPUs?)… maybe. I don't know if I'd consider them secure. Some running hot and loud and by the seat of their pants? The presence of DMA? Hm. I have my doubts they'd be better than the CPU safety-wise.

What I do know is they can usually run them very fast if asynchronous low-communication parallelisation is not undesirable - GPUs overtook PlayStation 3 Cell processors for the "throw watts at it, but we don't have enough money to burn FPGAs or ASICs" class of crypto attacks quite a few years ago now. (As anyone who runs a Bitcoin mine knows!)

Might be effective on, say, the Raspberry Pi, where the "GPU"'s the ringmaster and the ARM's the clown. That vector processor looks tempting, and if I could figure out how to get it to do diagonals, it's a poster child for ChaCha.

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