http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/
http://www.truegamer.net/SA_911/911%20SATHREAD/wtc01.html
> WATCH BUSH START A FUCKING WAR
> Not to belittle the signifigance of these events, but you do realize that this means a whole slew of "anti terrorist" and probably "anti violence" laws will be passed through congress.
> Any "anti terrorist" laws will be given almost a blank check to do what is necessary. I'd be surprised if in 6 months you'll be able to make a domestic call without it being monitored.
> That's the way terrorism works. It's not the attack that hurts most people. A couple of hundred people die -- every death is tragic, but the truth is the real tragedy will be the loss of freedoms for the survivors.
Literally, from peoples' mouths, "Better to lose some freedoms than to be scared."
> Now this is weird, since last week was the first showing of that X-files spin-off "The Lone Gunmen" in Austalia. The plot of the first one was that some government group was going to fly a plane into the World Trade Centre. Life imitates art?
Eee... WHAT? I always read that WTC was the kind of event that no one ever imagined it could possibly happen until after the incident.
The Empire State building has been hit multiple times by planes including a serious incident involving a B-25 in 1945:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_cras...
and the WTC had been the subject of multiple previous bombings:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_World_Trade_Center_bombing
Planes attacking buildings – especially the World Trade Center – is certainly something that had been imagined.
There were two aspects to 9/11 which surprised people. First, that it was four planes which were hijacked: For security screeners to allow one armed hijacker onto a plane may be poor luck, but for armed hijackers to get onto four planes looks like carelessness. (With apologies to Oscar Wilde.)
Second, while the prospect of planes crashing into towers had been considered -- and in fact all modern skyscrapers are designed to survive such an impact -- the aftermath of 9/11 was the first time the prospect of aircraft fuel being used to bring down a skyscraper was ever widely contemplated. If the two planes which hit the WTC hadn't been carrying enough fuel to reach LAX, the fires would not have burned for long enough to bring the towers down.
For something in the terrorism realm, check out Air France 8969. It was hijacked with the intent of using it to destroy the Eiffel tower (either by crashing into it or by blowing up the plane over it). It never happened because the French discovered the plan while the plane was on the ground and attacked it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bojinka_plot
"The Path to 9/11" has a few historical inaccuracies but it provides a good dramatization of the key events in the 90s that led up to 9/11. It's well worth watching.
For example Tom Clancy's Debt of Honour wraps up with a Japanese airliner flying into the Capitol Building killing off the majority of the US Government.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lone_Gunmen_(TV_series)
The "no one ever imagined" line is put forward by DC insiders to cover for the fact that they never planned for a well known attack vector. Reporters spend a lifetime building connections to senior civil servants and have no problem running with lines like that if it will help their contacts keep their jobs.
Thank you all for those references. I learned a lot today.
Re: the thread, it's saddening quite how many were immediately desperate to go to war - with bin laden, nonetheless. This is generally a bit odd, given that OBL was only really known in the west for the Kenyan embassy bombings in 98 - and before that knocking off a German spook.
So, I guess my question is: Why we're folks so quick to choose OBL as the perp, even while every group on the planet was taking credit? Why this relatively unknown group who've done little in 3 years?
I suppose it's just odd that many seemed primed to have the same response, of "let's bomb Afghanistan".
<Swan/+report> test to see if infoserver is echoing
messages to group +war. well all this info is probably old.
The iraqis caused an oil spill 8-10 miles long and a
couple miles wide. It's 12 times the size of that caused
by the exxon valdeez. It's not known if wells are actively
pumping into the gulf right now, or if they just dumped
stored reserves. If they're pumping at max capacity, it'll
get bigger by a factor every 3 days. in other words it
will be 13 times the size of the exxon valdeez in 3 days,
14 in 6, 15 in 9. (I realize I said that wrong). That's a
worst case. It's not possible to overstate how concerned
Bush seemed by this. I think he aged a few years last
night. the spill is not military significant, but
ecologically its a nightmare of course. There is some
concern about water problems, the oil might threaten
desalination plants. Yesterday the weather was much better
over iraq, so they set a record for the # of sorties in a
single day. 2700 I think. they launched 2 missiles at
saudi arabia today, and 7 at israel. (scuds). One hit in
israel, lightly wounding a bunch of people, killing 1. 1
person died in saudi. Patriots knocked out a whole bunch
of them. I just heard from Cheneys mouth that Bush has
something planned to deal with the oil spill. --mcneil
lehrerAn air strike was conducted against the pipeline that was the most significant contributor of the spill, however there were some other sources as well. It ended up being several times larger than the Valdez spill, a lot of it ended up on the beaches of Saudi Arabia, and it was never cleaned up, so it's still causing a lot of ecological damage.
I don't think I'd heard about this until now.
Also, it wasn't an air strike against the pipeline, it was the Iraqis dumping oil to prevent US marine landings (from what I heard, they were planning on setting it on fire if there were any ships there? Game-of-Thrones-style).
The air strike was to prevent further spillage:
> On January 26, three US F-117 fighter-bombers destroyed pipelines to prevent further spillage into the Persian Gulf.
edit: I really don't get why people are downvoting this, the message appears to have at least 1298 characters.
<Ran> Is there anybody there? I am fine.
Just got the damn gas mask off. Sorry
A minute later he/she reports that Tel Aviv was hit, source being "my ears".IRC, beating the TV networks since at least 1991...
A given channel, or even entire networks, would often start out pretty free. Dissenting discussion and arguments were allowed, if not encouraged. Users could hold and share their own beliefs without fear of repercussion. It was generally a fun experience. The channel or network would see growth.
But as the community became larger and more established, certain users would often end up becoming ops, and they'd start to enforce their own beliefs upon the entire community. People would start getting kicked or banned unnecessarily for very minor "violations", which most often involved just holding a different opinion than an op.
These kicked or banned users wouldn't come back, those users who liked them would have less incentive to return, and eventually there'd be more people getting booted or leaving than there would be new people coming and returning. The channel withers. If this happens with enough channels, the network withers. As networks wither, IRC itself withers.
Even Reddit opened just a couple years ago their own server @ irc.snoonet.org.
Coding chatbots for IRC is still a really fun way to practice NLP concepts.
39 Scuds were fired, 17 were engaged by Patriots and three were confirmed intercepted. I can't find the figure of how many Patriots were actually launched.
The number of Patriots that struck the ground intact after failed launches / failed interceptions remains classified but is greater than four. Most of the rest self-destructed in flight.
And yet they still successfully sell this system to many countries.
I had to hit IRC when Sept 11th went down because I was stuck in a facility with no television reception and even news sites were down due to load. The only things that were still shifting data were slashdot and a couple of IRC networks. We had a channel relaying news from TV and radio worldwide including from ham and shortwave.
There was similar activity on IRC right after the 2013 Boston bombings.
As well as a map of all of the invasions and "liberations" with a timeline, and a list of official "reasons" for those military actions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil...
Hmm. I wonder what the IRC logs of the Venezuelan "liberation" will look like? Actually for Venezuelan's sake hopefully the economic warfare already going on, along with the encroachment coming from the direction of Brazil during World Cup, will be enough to "integrate" them into the system (i.e. "liberate" them of control over their resources) without requiring overt military action.
I like that idea. It could be really interesting and educating to play with an interactive map showing that. There are things like that appearing from time to time (like the article about Syria and Iraq from yesterday[0]); I hope that concept trend will catch on and we'll see more and more old and modern history knowledge expressed in interactive, explorable forms.
He covers everything from Japan's desire for the oil production of Indonesia to Germany's doomed synthetic fuel effort. The author also covers Nimitz's focus on denying oil resources to Japan, a strategy that eventually let him land several fatal blows to the Imperial Navy and end the war in the Pacific.
Nimitz was so successful in that strategy that near the end of the war, the Japanese began using kamikaze attacks against American naval vessels as a fuel-saving tactic, since pilots only required half as much fuel to complete their mission.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Prize-Quest-Money-Power/dp/1439110...
<MistDrake> Announcement from the president of US: The
liberation of Kuwait has begun
<Arkie> i'm listening to nbc radio....
<Starhawk> "Desert Storm"<BOY> No arab countrys on the net..
#Belladona# Bagdad Radio reports Saddam has ordered his
troops out of Kuwait IMMEDIATELY!
#Scott# unconfirmed, keep it to +war/+report
#alex# belladona - stop making rumors ....