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0 pointsderefr11y ago0 comments

I'm very confused why the X.509 model isn't already set up to accommodate this. Imagine that a CA could only sign CSRs for subjects hierarchically-below its own subject. Then:

• Instead of issuing plain leaf-node certs, CAs could (and would) issue CA-certs by default.

• You'd be able to issue as many plain certs as you like, using your own CA-cert, and revoke them as often as you like. (OCSP would be much more necessary here.)

• The current CAs would be renamed to "global CAs": their power would come from the fact that they have no subject (or their subject is '.') in their CA-certs.

• Anyone owning a domain would become the CA for its own subdomains. (foo.tumblr.com would be signed by Tumblr's CA; foo.s3.amazonaws.com would be signed by the Amazon AWS CA; etc.)

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MichaelGG11y ago

Probably because there's a small market for that? I've met technical people that don't even make their CSRs, they actually have their CA generate private+public keypair so they don't have to figure it out.

Also, CAs make more money if they can issue each leaf cert themselves. Some CAs don't even allow you to get multiple private keys signed (only one active at a time) without paying more.

antocv11y ago

Because your browser doesnt know the chain, yourdomain.com could sign google.com and browser will accept it as is today.

For your proposal to work the CA system would have to check with dnssec and probably another protocol to enforce the subca signs only its domain constraint.

derefrOP11y ago

I think the change would simply require servers to always send a certificate chain (up to at least the cert's most-proximate global-issuer CA) instead of just a cert. Which is pretty much what every web-scale site does already, to short-circuit OSCP lookups on intermediate CAs.

DNSSEC needn't be involved; you aren't determining whether the CA owns the domain it's issuing certs for at runtime. Instead, the parent-CA who issued the CA's signing cert determined that when they issued the cert. As long as each certificate in the sent chain both 1. checks out as signed by its parent, and 2. has a subject hierarchically below its parent's subject, you can be sure each CA in the chain did whatever it considers diligence before issuing certs to its child-CAs.

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