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0 pointsyapcguy12y ago0 comments

The problem with the new T440p, and the entire Lenovo line in general, is the awful keyboard and trackpad.

They moved to a chiclet style keyboard in the previous generation, removed the top row of keys, and have now inverted the function keys so they perform media functions first. In order to get an F4 you have to press Fn+F4. Ridiculous!

Also they have removed the physical buttons surrounding the trackpad. Previously, one of the nice things about the trackpoint was the ability to have your finger moving the trackpoint while your thumb took a rest on the middle button. Being able to feel the physical buttons you always knew exactly which button you were going to click. Now with the Apple style trackpad, you get no textual feedback at all.

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jamesbritt12y ago

Also they have removed the physical buttons surrounding the trackpad.

The W530 still has the proper trackpoint buttons. But it's a 1080p screen with a numpad that displaces the main keyboard.

Lenovo sells USB trackpoint keboards (with and without a trackpad). I already had one for my HP desktop box and ordered another on the assumption that sooner or later Lenovo will turn to the Thinkpad line to shit and I'll want that keyboard for whatever laptop I get next.

adrusi12y ago

You're confusing w530 and w540. w530 has a centered keyboard and no numpad, and physical trackpoint buttons. It's the new w540 that drops the buttons and shifts the keyboard.

That said, I suppose I'm the audience that Lenovo's changes are targeted to. As a current owner of an early 2011 macbook pro, I just ordered a T440p yesterday, but for a long time I was deciding between it and T540p. I prefered T540p to the very similarly priced and equipped w530 (for my price range) because of the new trackpad.

I eventually settled on the T440p because of its greater portability and centered keyboard.

There's just more people who care about a good trackpad than a good trackpoint. I've used lenovo trackpoints and just can't get used to them, so I suppose it must be similarly difficult for trackpoint users to learn to use trackpads effectively, but I don't think either is inherently better.

jamesbritt12y ago

Indeed you are right. That's even more depressing. :)

I get that maybe more people are interested in the trackpad but I don't see why Lenovo improves the pad at the expense of the trackpoint. I disable the trackpad on my laptops so there's a net loss for me when they degrade the trackpoint buttons.

If they insist on degrading what distinguishes a Thinkpad then they'll be yet another generic laptop provider.

akurtzhs12y ago

I'm using a T440s, and I haven't had any problems with the keyboard, other than hitting PrtSc. Between Right Alt and Right Ctrl is not the proper place for that key.

Fn+Escape turns on Function Lock, and it stays on permanently through reboots.

I agree with you that the clickpad buttons are inferior. It's much harder to drag and drop, for example.

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0 pointsyapcguy12y ago0 comments

The problem with the new T440p, and the entire Lenovo line in general, is the awful keyboard and trackpad.

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jamesbritt12y ago

Also they have removed the physical buttons surrounding the trackpad.

The W530 still has the proper trackpoint buttons. But it's a 1080p screen with a numpad that displaces the main keyboard.

adrusi12y ago

You're confusing w530 and w540. w530 has a centered keyboard and no numpad, and physical trackpoint buttons. It's the new w540 that drops the buttons and shifts the keyboard.

I eventually settled on the T440p because of its greater portability and centered keyboard.

jamesbritt12y ago

Indeed you are right. That's even more depressing. :)

If they insist on degrading what distinguishes a Thinkpad then they'll be yet another generic laptop provider.

akurtzhs12y ago

I'm using a T440s, and I haven't had any problems with the keyboard, other than hitting PrtSc. Between Right Alt and Right Ctrl is not the proper place for that key.

Fn+Escape turns on Function Lock, and it stays on permanently through reboots.

I agree with you that the clickpad buttons are inferior. It's much harder to drag and drop, for example.

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