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0 pointsseanmcdirmid12y ago0 comments

My experience with Scala was the opposite: it has great support for OO and imperative programming. The functional way of doing things often wasn't better, while on the other hand, traits are crazy flexible. I've seen people go crazy with functional code in Scala that is barely readable and impossible to debug; the JVM debugger is still optimize for imperative programs, while no one has really figured out a good debugger for functional programming yet.

OO/imperative programming isn't all "bad." Being functional doesn't really ensure that the code is "good."

0 pointsseanmcdirmid12y ago0 comments

OO/imperative programming isn't all "bad." Being functional doesn't really ensure that the code is "good."

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justinpombrio12y ago· 3 in thread

"There is no programming language, no matter how structured, that will prevent programmers from making bad programs." - Larry Flon

The same applies to programming paradigms.

nightski12y ago

There are many programming languages, specifically structured, to prevent programmers from making a certain subset of bad programs. This is incredibly useful.

marshray12y ago

Yeah, but these languages tend to be not a good fit for inherently complex problems. When one tries to express complex ideas in those languages, you end up code that's either absurdly verbose, or code that experts in that language's idioms would call "bad".

One can write simple, structured code for simple problems in any language. But complex problems require languages that don't attempt to babysit programmers.

(IMNSHX, YMMV)

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kaonashi12y ago

They can also prevent programmers from making a certain subset of good programs. This is less useful.

eli_gottlieb12y ago

Scala was actually the first language in which I've truly appreciated object-oriented programming. It's really quite simple when you get it: Objects Are Modules. You do not want or need an object for everything (looking at you, Java!), but when you want to abstract away some combination of behavior and data, you do in fact want OOP.

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