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0 pointslgbr12y ago0 comments

That you might pay your taxes voluntarily is charming, but do you really think that if all enforcement behind tax collection is lost that most of the population will pay their taxes?

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nknighthb12y ago· 3 in thread

Enforcement of laws does not require threat of violence except against those who threaten violence in response to enforcement. Wage garnishment, liens, and asset forfeiture are effective means of collecting sums owed without anybody pointing a gun. Even if you are arrested for tax evasion, violence will not be used unless you appear to pose a threat.

All I hear when someone talks about how laws are enforced with guns is "I am civilized only so long as someone has the capacity to be more violent than I.". To me, this is madness.

lgbrOP12y ago

Speaking for the US here, but I believe the same is true in most places.

If I fail to pay my taxes and I sit at home completely non-violently, at some point, a man with a gun will come to my house and move me.

If I ignore liens, my home will be foreclosed, and eventually the sheriff will forcibly remove me from the property.

If I am subject to asset forfeiture and my cars, trucks, bulldozers, gold bars, or prized kittens are ever found, they will be forcibly taken from me.

This is all done through the use of force by men who wield guns.

GrinningFool12y ago

If you fail to pay taxes that you owe (and I have not heard you dispute owing them), then you are in violation of the law that you agree to when you remain in your country of residence.

If you ignore liens, you have forfeited the right to live in that home by not paying your financial obligations.

Your arguments imply that the men with guns are the cause of the use of force. In reality, the men with guns are the consequence for disobeying the rules of a civil society.

nknighthb12y ago

You continue to equate the person possessing a gun with the gun being used against you.

The gun isn't there to be used against you unless you're going to be violent. The gun is there because they can never be sure when someone might become violent.

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