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0 pointsmhd12y ago0 comments

I think there should be some kind of changing of names. For a while it looked like it's another incremental step, if a big one. Which obviously requires running two implementations in parallel for a while -- similar to Python 2 and 3, or several operating systems and distros.

But right now, especially once Perl development really picked up, it might be time to "divorce" the two languages. It seems more like Algol60 vs. Algol68, or Modula-2 vs. Modula-3. Sure, there's a number in there, but it isn't just about the version of the main implementation.

Having said that, kudos to the Perl team. I really like that they now release new versions pretty regularly, which is a good sign to show people that Perl5 ist still very much alive and nobody needs to hold their breath for the time being.

If only I could use something more recent than 5.8 at work...

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espadrine12y ago

Perl5 users won't switch to Perl6 because they're working on Perl5 code and don't want to change their habits.

Non-Perl devs won't switch to Perl6 because the P word scares them.

So, yes, changing the name might be a good idea.

And making an enjoyable web-based tutorial.

flogic12y ago

Lets assume that I'm switching from Perl5. Why would I switch to Perl6 over something else? Even assuming Perl6 were to be become production ready tomorrow, there is a cornucopia of good languages these days. I'm sure Perl6 can claim to be more expressive than most but is that enough?

hahainternet12y ago

> Perl5 users won't switch to Perl6 because they're working on Perl5 code and don't want to change their habits.

I will.

Diederich12y ago

I am already switching to Perl6.

aduitsis12y ago

You can use perlbrew to install any version of Perl your heart desires in a local directory of your choosing. You can also install multiple versions and easily swap them.

mhdOP12y ago

We deploy to a RHEL server where the stock Perl is 5.8.8. Sure, migrating that to a perlbrew/local::lib setup with up-to-date CPAN modules would be really nice, but would require some major testing, and right now nobody has the time for that. Never change a running system sigh...

But hey, generally it's not a big hassle, from a programmer's perspective that version ain't that outdated. About the only thing I really miss is "//="...

snaky12y ago

There are some modules that don't support Perl 5.8, like Data::Show. RHEL's policy about Perl versions is just horrible.

kbenson12y ago

Calling keys, values, push, pop, shift and unshift on refs. That one change makes things SO much more readable.

sigzero12y ago

There was a big argument on a name change. It isn't going to happen.

initself12y ago

Here's mst's suggestion for changing the name Perl 5 to "Pumpkin Perl":

http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/pumpkin-perl-breakdown/

sigzero12y ago

No. Just no. That is stupid as stupid can be.

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0 pointsmhd12y ago0 comments

If only I could use something more recent than 5.8 at work...

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espadrine12y ago

Perl5 users won't switch to Perl6 because they're working on Perl5 code and don't want to change their habits.

Non-Perl devs won't switch to Perl6 because the P word scares them.

So, yes, changing the name might be a good idea.

And making an enjoyable web-based tutorial.

flogic12y ago

hahainternet12y ago

> Perl5 users won't switch to Perl6 because they're working on Perl5 code and don't want to change their habits.

I will.

Diederich12y ago

I am already switching to Perl6.

aduitsis12y ago

You can use perlbrew to install any version of Perl your heart desires in a local directory of your choosing. You can also install multiple versions and easily swap them.

mhdOP12y ago

But hey, generally it's not a big hassle, from a programmer's perspective that version ain't that outdated. About the only thing I really miss is "//="...

snaky12y ago

There are some modules that don't support Perl 5.8, like Data::Show. RHEL's policy about Perl versions is just horrible.

kbenson12y ago

Calling keys, values, push, pop, shift and unshift on refs. That one change makes things SO much more readable.

sigzero12y ago

There was a big argument on a name change. It isn't going to happen.

initself12y ago

Here's mst's suggestion for changing the name Perl 5 to "Pumpkin Perl":

http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/pumpkin-perl-breakdown/

sigzero12y ago

No. Just no. That is stupid as stupid can be.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse