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45 pointsari_elle12y ago11 comments

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This genre is my favorite. For anyone who wants to read more similar to it:

Three Worlds Collide (Metaethics, moral relativism, etc)

http://robinhanson.typepad.com/files/three-worlds-collide.pd...

The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect (Thinking machines, brains-in-vats experience machine, a world without death) This one is my favorite of the three

http://localroger.com/prime-intellect/mopiall.html

The Last Question (Thinking machines, the end state of a universe full of technologically powerful beings)

http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm

Not as relevant as the previous three, but still brain tickling (and not as long):

Relevant scene from Star Trek: The Next Generation (Episode: The Measure of a Man) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PMlDidyG_I

Let's Help Germinate This Seed http://www.thrivenotes.com/lets-help-germinate-this-seed/

The Egg http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

jamesrcole12y ago

IMO "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect" is awful.

My main criticism is that it simply assumes the point it sets out to make (SPOILERS: basically that if you can't die and anything is possible, life would have no meaning). It really doesn't do anything to show why that'd be the case.

It also really fetishises extreme violence and, to a certain extent, incest. (My beef is not with the fact that it involves those things, but with the way that it handles them).

If you're looking for something with similar machine-intelligence, fairly limitless possibilities, and the like, I think Greg Egan's Diaspora is a far superior treatment. http://www.amazon.com/Diaspora-Greg-Egan/dp/0575082097

new29912y ago

Thanks for these recommendations, "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect" made great reading.

gamegoblin12y ago

I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's pretty weird but very good food for thought.

minopret12y ago

Really, Mr. Asimov? If our mortality did not exist, it would be necessary to invent it? And is existing throughout time such a grand and limitless condition? Georg Cantor proved that there are always much greater infinities that we could not begin to approach, even if we would never die. So I am not convinced that it's a compelling puzzle to find our own limitations, even if we were unlimited in the dimension of time. That's still only one dimension.

Anyway, the story appears to be reproduced without permission in violation of copyright.

gamegoblin12y ago

I think that you are taking this a bit too seriously.

I believe it's better read merely as food for thought, not as a philosophical treatise.

minopret12y ago

    At code review one hacker guy
    Was asked to relax, or to try.
    "I'm not naming names,
    But all's fun and games
    Until someone loses an i!"

(I felt like responding this way just because Asimov wrote limericks.)

rationalthink212y ago

Yes, Mr. Asimov browses HN...

eridius12y ago

Right, it's only a crime if you get caught perpetrating it. </sarcasm>

Tycho12y ago

A very short but superb story in a similar vein: The Egg by Andy Weir

http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

mikecane12y ago

Heh. All variables cannot be factored in until all variables have ended.

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gamegoblin12y ago

This genre is my favorite. For anyone who wants to read more similar to it:

Three Worlds Collide (Metaethics, moral relativism, etc)

http://robinhanson.typepad.com/files/three-worlds-collide.pd...

The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect (Thinking machines, brains-in-vats experience machine, a world without death) This one is my favorite of the three

http://localroger.com/prime-intellect/mopiall.html

The Last Question (Thinking machines, the end state of a universe full of technologically powerful beings)

http://filer.case.edu/dts8/thelastq.htm

Not as relevant as the previous three, but still brain tickling (and not as long):

Relevant scene from Star Trek: The Next Generation (Episode: The Measure of a Man) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PMlDidyG_I

Let's Help Germinate This Seed http://www.thrivenotes.com/lets-help-germinate-this-seed/

The Egg http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

jamesrcole12y ago

IMO "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect" is awful.

It also really fetishises extreme violence and, to a certain extent, incest. (My beef is not with the fact that it involves those things, but with the way that it handles them).

new29912y ago

Thanks for these recommendations, "The Metamorphosis of Prime Intellect" made great reading.

gamegoblin12y ago

I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's pretty weird but very good food for thought.

minopret12y ago

Anyway, the story appears to be reproduced without permission in violation of copyright.

gamegoblin12y ago

I think that you are taking this a bit too seriously.

I believe it's better read merely as food for thought, not as a philosophical treatise.

minopret12y ago

    At code review one hacker guy
    Was asked to relax, or to try.
    "I'm not naming names,
    But all's fun and games
    Until someone loses an i!"

(I felt like responding this way just because Asimov wrote limericks.)

rationalthink212y ago

Yes, Mr. Asimov browses HN...

eridius12y ago

Right, it's only a crime if you get caught perpetrating it. </sarcasm>

Tycho12y ago

A very short but superb story in a similar vein: The Egg by Andy Weir

http://www.galactanet.com/oneoff/theegg_mod.html

mikecane12y ago

Heh. All variables cannot be factored in until all variables have ended.

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