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IntelliJ is the best IDE :).

Eclipse Python support is lacking.

NetBeans seems to come along pretty well, I just hope that they have more support.

Definitely wouldn't be worth it just for using a Visual Studio plug in for Python development. And I am of the camp that thinks visual studio is the best IDE out there.

Specifically for Python / Django development, PyCharm is very good: http://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm/

Whats the downside anyway ? Since i run all my code on linux VMs, i dont really care for the OS i run my editor in. Windows7 + cygwin and dev enviroment VMs are fine for me, dont see any downside to using OSX for example.

I moved mostly from Linux and vim to windows + pycharm. Still deploy to Linux. I use cygwin for commandline work. Its gone a lot better than expected. Pip works, django works, local MySQL works, much to my amazement.

dunno about python, but good debugging support is a huge plus for IDE.

To each his own. I develop on windows, but am not a fan of VS. Tried, it didn't work out.

Are you going to deploy Django on Windows? You would not be wise to do so. So why choose such a profoundly different development environment?

And the beauty of Visual Studio's interface is that it is completely customizable. If you want the Solution Explorer on the left side, all you have to do is click the top of the window, and drag it over to where you want it; it'll snap right into place.

You know, I've been thinking about this lately. I've noticed my eyes 'travel' quite a bit more with the explorer on the right. You normally scan text starting on the left, so whenever you change files you end up bouncing across the screen quite a bit. Perhaps I'll move it over today and see how it feels.

I agree with you, however I like to have my main solution explorer on the left with second solution explorer scoped to my Models or another project I am actively working with within the solution docked on the right.

I wonder if they kept the default layout to keep it as simple and "out of the box" as they can in order not to confuse newcomers to the Visual Studio way of doing things.

meh , VS devs get used to that , like the horrible theme colors in the latest VS. I said good for microsoft if they offer developers choice. And it means opensource is kinda winning. But i'm waiting for the day Windows is POSIX to go back to that os , windows is too crappy for Open-source devs even with ming installed...

Sensationalism is a type of editorial bias in mass media in which events and topics in news stories and pieces are over-hyped to increase viewership or readership numbers. [..] Some tactics include being deliberately obtuse, appealing to emotions, being controversial, intentionally omitting facts and information, being loud, self-centered and acting to obtain attention. Trivial information and events are sometimes misrepresented and exaggerated as important or significant, and often includes stories about the actions of individuals and small groups of people, the content of which is often insignificant and irrelevant relative to the macro-level day-to-day events that occur globally.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensationalism

I'm not sure what the original title was here, but in this case the revised version suggests more or less why someone here would want to read it.

About a month ago someone posted an essay on the Python Requests library in a literary journal and titled it something like "A Literary Review of the Python Requests Library", which essentially described what the essay was about: a review of the Requests library as if it were a literary work (http://thediagram.com/12_6/rev_reitz.html).

I noticed this, read the article, and enjoyed reading about Python in an entirely different context.

But then some wise soul determined the word "literary" to cause far too many sensations and updated the title to "Review of Python Requests Library"(http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5073250), changing the title from something apt to something misleading. As a review of Requests for the HN audience it isn't very good (the review is accurate and well-written in its context, but my guess is a review containing the sentence "Requests is written in a programming language called Python that's known for being easy to read" is perhaps not aimed at the average HN reader looking for a technical review), but as a review of a Python library as if it were a literary work is both funny and thought-provoking.

Would the article have gotten any more attention under its original title? Maybe, maybe not. But this happens noticeably often and it would be nice if folks changing these titles puts a bit more thought in to some of those changes, and not strip out those words meant to describe why someone here would read an article.

Heavy editorializing in the title is frowned upon. Simply post a link and let people make up their own mind what they think about it.

Because nobody cares about your world view.

From the HN submission guidelines[0]:

> ... please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait.

[0] http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

i agree with you though, it's an abomination

Real programmers use cat.

You only need an azure account if you want to deploy your app, the last step. If you just want to run locally and check out python in VS, you don't need an account.

It looks like you could also use Azure WebSites which gives you a free instance.

http://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/develop/python/tutorials/w...

FYI: there is free azure access as part of bizspark

I knew this was going to get downvotes, but come on, doesn't this seem to anyone else just a little bit desperate on Microsoft's part?

They're giving out bad advice to sell bad tools. I'm a little disheartened it's got so much attention on here.

VS2012 did a lot of visual changes, many of them controversial. The guise was to make it "more metro" despite Windows 8 not taking the same approach (like all caps).

The VS 2012 betas tried putting all caps on various parts of the UI. They got tons of pushback on that, so they eventually just made it the menu so they could still claim they kept the principle idea alive. In the final release, there's an option to turn it off.

A lot of VS devs are happy that they added a proper dark mode, and there's a plugin to autohide the menus so it's less of an issue that it appears at first. The biggest usability issue is the single-colour icons.

There's probably amazing internal threads and all sorts of political issues surrounding the design. In the end, I think the champions of the change count on wearing you down, making their opponents feel silly for arguing over such petty things as menu styles.

In my personal experience with working in .NET MVC within VS 2012 it is noticeably slower working with Debug always on as you cannot simply build and refresh the code, each time you need to load the debugger, test drop out of debug, fix, repeat.

I prefer to do as much without debugger and then when I need to inspect variables and step through code drop into debug mode.

With Python this may be different but I doubt it. I expect you will have to wait while the debugger loads up. If you can edit code whilst debugger is running then I can see that being a big plus and a reason to keep it on.