undefined | Better HN

0 pointsilluminate13y ago0 comments

"You are overlooking the fact that Al-Khabaz informed the system owner 2 days prior of the problem"

Warning the system owner doesn't give you the ability to run pen tests if they do not wish you to do so.

0 comments

"True, but it makes the case quite different in legal and moral scope from one in which the system owner is not warned"

I would believe that it would really only make a difference if the systems administrator replied to your warning with acceptance and an invitation to do so.

Morals being subjective, how do you feel it would change the legal conditions?

illuminateOP13y ago

"A warning removes malicious intent. Lack of warning leaves malicious intent in place."

The trespassing, using a system in nonstandard ways could still be considered "malicious", even if the user's intent was not. (I'm not making judgments on the guy so much as imagining that prior warning is not sufficient.)

woodchuck6413y ago

I don't see how a reasonable person would conclude Al-Khabaz's actions were malicious. People with malicious intent do not draw attention to themselves prior to the event, nor do they advertise the exact attack that they will use.

1 more reply

woodchuck6413y ago

A warning removes malicious intent. Lack of warning leaves malicious intent in place.

woodchuck6413y ago

True, but it makes the case quite different in legal and moral scope from one in which the system owner is not warned.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

0 comments

illuminateOP13y ago

"True, but it makes the case quite different in legal and moral scope from one in which the system owner is not warned"

I would believe that it would really only make a difference if the systems administrator replied to your warning with acceptance and an invitation to do so.

Morals being subjective, how do you feel it would change the legal conditions?

illuminateOP13y ago

"A warning removes malicious intent. Lack of warning leaves malicious intent in place."

woodchuck6413y ago

1 more reply

woodchuck6413y ago

A warning removes malicious intent. Lack of warning leaves malicious intent in place.

woodchuck6413y ago

True, but it makes the case quite different in legal and moral scope from one in which the system owner is not warned.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse