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0 pointsTerr_1d ago0 comments

> The printer thing seems pretty unrelated

It's a simple example of how the arcane telemetry they demand is actually far more dangerous to you than it first appears.

This is incredibly common when it comes to security and privacy issues, where it's not immediately obvious how things can be abused. (The truly obvious things tend to get fixed, after all.)

> I don’t think [...] your Microsoft account has anything to do with telemetry

My brother in tech, I think you're blinding yourself out of forlorn hope here.

Microsoft has spent over a decade increasing the mandatory "telemetry", which contains a complete profile all your computer hardware with serial numbers plus all the software you run and when you run it [0]. The same company has consistently made it harder and harder for anyone to not sign up for an account in order to even install the OS.

They already collect the data in a very deliberate and strategic way. What you ought to be seeking is evidence they don't keep it.

[0] https://arxiv.org/abs/2002.12506

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Grombobulous1d ago· 2 in thread

I appreciate the fact that you sent over a very good paper.

After reading it, I am still not sure I see how this is particularly alarming information. I can see how it would help a forensic investigator who has physical access to the device.

The most personal aspect seems to be the list of installed and removed programs, which I would agree is stepping across boundaries of privacy.

The paper notes that this whole studied telemetry package is part of the telemetry service you can opt out of.

The rest seems to be device identifiers and connected devices. They mention that the device identifiers could lead to having part of an encryption key but that part of the paper seemed really vague. My takeaway from that section was that maybe it could lead an investigator to knowing which specific piece of hardware to use in order to decrypt something, but they’d likely need physical access to that hardware.

I get the impression is that the intent here is for an IT department or Windows developers to be able to respond to cyberattacks and deal with malware and the like. The paper you linked made that aspect pretty clear.

The printer thing is a good example, but again, just too unrelated to this particular subject. At least, in my opinion.

lazide1d ago

The typical response if someone comes knocking is ‘I don’t know what you’re talking about’. And really, how would they prove it unless you left a stack of printouts next to the door?

Now they could prove it was your printer (and that has happened multiple times in prosecutions!), even if you printed it years ago.

You don’t see how that is a problem?

Grombobulous14h ago

I think there are a lot of things that are potentially problematic where we depend on having a functioning society with real legal protections and due process.

Nobody can come in my house without a judicial warrant. And, hopefully, someday there are better privacy laws in the US that mean that Microsoft must handle its collected data more responsibly.

If your society has succumbed to serious oppression, does evidence really matter anyway? If the cartel is knocking on your door, do they need evidence to do what they want to do?

Evidence itself is just evidence. It can condemn you and it can exonerate you. If it can be proved that something came from my printer, that means my lawyer can also prove something didn't come from my printer.

I am by no means saying that I would personally willingly sign up for telemetry, or that I think it's better to have than not. I'm just not in alarm over it because I think that response is disproportional.

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