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0 pointswillmadden2d ago0 comments

Flu vaccines aren't immunizing vaccines. They protect against specific strains, and half the time they immunize against a strain that doesn't become widespread and do very little or nothing to protect you. They have side effects which vary widely in severity depending on the specific vaccine.

This article has no data about why mRNA flu vaccines will improve these outcomes, and has no data about the risk/benefit ratio or how it was calculated. It doesn't even cite the "studies" it mentions. It's a remarkably bad article written for low information readers by a low information author.

Hard pass until I see some hard data.

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ted_dunning2d ago· 2 in thread

Wow... that took me several, uh, seconds to find.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2516491

There's your hard data.

willmaddenOP2d ago

Thanks. 10 our of 13 of the researchers work for Moderna or another pharma company. That "study" might as well be a marketing brochure.

_kulang2d ago

Not everyone is duplicitous, and it’s not surprising that the experts on a technology work at a company that creates the technology. I assume you’d think the study was valid if the Moderna staff were testing a Pfizer vaccine?

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jmye2d ago· 2 in thread

> Hard pass until I see some hard data.

Are you remotely qualified to understand said data? Or do you, as you did below, just want an easy opportunity to swipe at things you know you lack expertise to understand?

blxkd2d ago

Are you suggesting that a governing body can recommend a medicine to the public without requiring publicly available scientific data first?

jmye1d ago

I'm suggesting that people like OP who demand "hard data" are frequently the people least equipped to understand it in any way.

Why, on earth, do you think I would be suggesting anything about governing bodies?

ted_dunning2d ago· 1 in thread

What do you mean by "immunizing vaccines"?

In the first sentence, you say that flu vaccines are not and in the second you admit they are.

Maybe you meant that their coverage is not comprehensive. If so, that's what you should say.

mRNA flu vaccines have substantial potential advantages in terms of the ability to target a wider spectrum of variants and faster time to manufacture.

jancsika1d ago

> faster time to manufacture.

In other words: improved responsiveness when loading a flu season.

ksenzee2d ago

The word you're looking for is "sterilizing."

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