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0 pointsAurornis9d ago0 comments

Jonathan Blow works with extremely small team sizes relative to the big studios. When you only have a couple people working on a project you don’t need all of the same coordination features.

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rootlocus9d ago· 16 in thread

He and Casey Muratory make a lot of cool instructive content, but their condescending attitude towards the industry always made me thing "Huh, must be really nice working alone and making all the decisions yourself."

AurornisOP9d ago

I respect his work, but I had to unfollow him on Twitter because he was so condescending to everything and everyone except his loyal fan base.

He’s in a category of influencers who post constantly about gripes and grievances and smug superiority. Some people like that content but I can’t stand it.

I really like hearing about indie development and small teams, but you don’t have to present everything as condescending superiority over the industry. That’s not the part I find interesting.

cjbgkagh9d ago

I think there is an element of audience capture that sets up a self reinforcing feedback loop that drives out the normies and ends up rather cult like.

somenameforme9d ago

Is it not also possible that there are an overwhelming number of problems with the big AAA type studios in games right now? I feel right now we're in sort of tale of two cities, because AAA games have turned into barely functioning uninspired parasitically monetized crap, while smaller scale development is in an absolute golden age. And it's likely that LLMs will only add fuel onto this turd burning fire.

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Fraterkes9d ago

I’ll chip in here and say theres ime a world of difference between the amount of condescension and acerbic noise produced by Blow versus Casey. Casey comes of as grumpy but fundamentally pretty respectful in the stuff I’ve seen him in.

bigstrat20039d ago

I have only seen Casey's writing in the whole "why is the terminal so slow" debacle, but he was a massive jerk in that. He was right! But still a jerk.

Jare9d ago

I often feel that while Casey can end up saying you're an idiot, he does not believe you are, only the things you do are. And given the chance, he will happily and warmly engage with "why smart people do idiotic things".

Whereas JB actively thinks you're an idiot, and the things you do are idiotic because of your stupidity, period.

troupo9d ago

And then they usually back their words by doing things like "you claim that outputting text to a terminal emulator is a PhD level problem, so here I did it in a weekend".

Huge teams are more often than not the sign of bloat and inefficiences.

rootlocus9d ago

To be fair, game developers have been rendering text on the GPU for over two decades. I've done it in college a decade ago with bmfont [1] (nowadays the engine does rasterization during import). Whoever thought was making a case with "outputting text to a terminal emulator is a PhD level problem" was really out of their depth and was making a case for unnecessary inefficiencies. Kudos to Casey for proving a point.

1. https://www.angelcode.com/products/bmfont/

bogwog9d ago

I remember when that terminal situation first happened, and my main takeaway wasn't "wow, this Casey guy is a genius" but rather reinforcement of my pre-existing belief that Microsoft is full of incompetent and lazy people. Anyone who has ever dabbled in engine or low-level game dev has implemented basic GPU text rendering at some point.

Matl9d ago

Yeah, like when Blow claimed he could replace PowerPoint in a weekend and ended up implementing a presentation software that had about 2% of what PowerPoint offers.

Now there's an argument to be made that many don't need the remaining ones but to claim that you 'replaced PowerPoint' for anyone but yourself is ridiculous.

They're good at demos, I give them that.

duttish9d ago

There's a classic saying along those lines, "everyone is only using 5% of Word. The tricky part is that everyone is using a different 5%"

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LtdJorge9d ago

Casey was right, though. The windows terminal was (is, it's still there even if you use the new Terminal) atrocious. The performance is so bad, due to going through all the layers it does, which Casey exposed. And it's not even packed with features, pressing up on a new console doesn't bring you a command from history, which Linux terminals and 3rd party Windows ones have been doing for decades, even Powershell does that. The support for colors was also bad, the very limited options for font configuration, and it renders fonts as if it was Win2k... Thankfully, the Windows Terminal solves most of those, and includes tabs and other useful features. Too late for me as I already jumped ship to Linux.

ahtihn9d ago

> pressing up on a new console doesn't bring you a command from history, which Linux terminals and 3rd party Windows ones have been doing for decades, even Powershell does that.

I'm wondering if you're confusing Windows terminal with cmd.exe?

Windows terminal is not the shell. It's a terminal emulator. You run a shell inside of the terminal, for example you can run... Powershell.

Command history is a feature of the shell.

moogly9d ago

Imagine if he had approached it like, e.g. Bruce Dawson though, instead of coming off like an edgelord off his meds.

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klodolph9d ago

IMO this is just garden variety effects of being a programming influencer. It’s a weird position to be in.

I think being influential just does that to people, with high regularity.

chadgpt39d ago

Isn't that kind of the point though? Doing more with less?

Wowfunhappy9d ago

He's also the sort of person who I suspect works in a very idiosyncratic way, which is great for him and his mind but probably not everyone else. (This is not a criticism.)

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