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0 pointslibria13d ago0 comments

Add tag tax, residential parking, subsidized work parking, maintenance, incurred violations, tolls.

400/mo or 5000/yr for not having to worry about all that plus never playing the "wait let's circle the block, maybe a spot has opened up" game... sounds tempting.

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tjohns13d ago· 10 in thread

"Incurred violations" should be effectively $0. How often are you getting a traffic ticket? I think the last time I got a ticket was a decade ago...

infecto13d ago

If you live in a city, parking tickets are fairly inevitable. I am sure some folks get away with none but at least in SF I have gotten tickets that were not even for the correct meter and it’s takes more time (at least used to) to fight it than pay the money.

0x45713d ago

I lived in LA for over a decade with a car and got zero parking tickets. I wouldn't call it inevitable.

defen13d ago

I've never lived in Los Angeles but the one that gets you in San Francisco if you do street parking is the street cleaning, and the random vandalizations.

infecto13d ago

Great? Too many variables such as not having to park on the street or bad/good luck. If you live somewhere that has street cleaning, street parking and meters there is a good chance of getting a ticket. Not everyone but the likelihood increases and most of LA does not really check most of those boxes at least in the areas I have been.

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ihaveajob13d ago

Spread across a city probably more than you think, especially if you include parking tickets. I've never had a driving ticket, and maybe 4 parking ones over decades, but I'm probably on the lower end of the curve. In their first 40 days of operation, Oakland's speed cameras issued 82,000 tickets according to reports. I welcome those as they make streets safer, and I think they should be low cost, but high frequency.

jefftk13d ago

I would expect tickets issued during the first 40 days to be higher than later, as people haven't adjusted yet

cucumber373284213d ago

Or lower because the system is under public scrutiny and they don't wanna tune it for revenue just yet. Hard to say because nobody who makes such decisions gets that high in government by writing down their deliberation on such matters.

MarkusQ13d ago

Yeah, that seems like an odd factor to include. The whole message of fines is supposed to be "don't do these specific anti-social things" not "be sure to factor in the arbitrary charges you'll be hit with".

dml213513d ago

You'd be surprised at how many people will only see the latter. When they introduced congestion pricing in NYC, there were actually people who were commenting, completely unironically, along the lines of "There's no way I'm going to pay that, I'll just take the train. That'll show em!"

They 100% saw the fee as solely a means to tax residents, and didn't even consider that the primary purpose could be to change behavior.

throwaway203713d ago

I saw some wildly ignorant videos on YouTube of objectively wealthy people complaining about needing to driving (a few blocks!) to 59th Street to visit a relative, but needing to pay the congestion fee. I think these people have no idea how insulated there are from the Real World.

agumonkey13d ago· 5 in thread

maintenance, petty car body degradations.. things gets pricey real fast

echelon13d ago

I've got 200,000 miles on my Toyota and it's only ever had oil changes, brake pads, and new tires.

It'll probably make it another decade. Or two.

agumonkey13d ago

Did you know before hand this would be the case ? cause even when choosing a model that was deemed well made and long-lasting, we hit an unfortunate engine belt timing failure (100k cars were concerned, we got one..) and had to replace the whole thing.

lukevp13d ago

Yes, if you get a Toyota and maintain it, it would be expected to make it past 200k miles. They are by far the most reliable cars. Timing belt failures are only catastrophic for interference engines, and most cars use timing chains now, which have a much lower failure rate.

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Melatonic13d ago

How many times did you replace the timing belt (and probably water pump) before the failure ? Curious what vehicle this is

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Jblx212d ago

You should really think about changing out the engine and cabin air filters. And spark plugs. And unless you are driving 50,000 miles per year, I can't imagine the battery is going to last too much longer.

dyauspitr13d ago

But you get two rides a day. You’re gonna be stuck in your little quadrant your whole life.

fortran7713d ago

And in SF your car will be broken into at least 2x/year, unless you always have protected garage parking everywhere you go.

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tjohns13d ago· 10 in thread

"Incurred violations" should be effectively $0. How often are you getting a traffic ticket? I think the last time I got a ticket was a decade ago...

infecto13d ago

0x45713d ago

I lived in LA for over a decade with a car and got zero parking tickets. I wouldn't call it inevitable.

defen13d ago

I've never lived in Los Angeles but the one that gets you in San Francisco if you do street parking is the street cleaning, and the random vandalizations.

infecto13d ago

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ihaveajob13d ago

jefftk13d ago

I would expect tickets issued during the first 40 days to be higher than later, as people haven't adjusted yet

cucumber373284213d ago

MarkusQ13d ago

dml213513d ago

They 100% saw the fee as solely a means to tax residents, and didn't even consider that the primary purpose could be to change behavior.

throwaway203713d ago

agumonkey13d ago· 5 in thread

maintenance, petty car body degradations.. things gets pricey real fast

echelon13d ago

I've got 200,000 miles on my Toyota and it's only ever had oil changes, brake pads, and new tires.

It'll probably make it another decade. Or two.

agumonkey13d ago

lukevp13d ago

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Melatonic13d ago

How many times did you replace the timing belt (and probably water pump) before the failure ? Curious what vehicle this is

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Jblx212d ago

dyauspitr13d ago

But you get two rides a day. You’re gonna be stuck in your little quadrant your whole life.

fortran7713d ago

And in SF your car will be broken into at least 2x/year, unless you always have protected garage parking everywhere you go.

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