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0 pointsflohofwoe1mo ago0 comments

That's also because traditional google.com has become a product search engine instead of a knowledge search engine. So far at least, the AI results are mostly free of product placement and thus automatically 10x more useful than the first few pages of search engine results (but probably not for long).

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thfuran1mo ago· 6 in thread

I have many times now searched Google for an error message or similar and either gotten no results or been unable to get it to search for what I actually told it to search for instead of some vaguely similar but completely unhelpful phrase. The LLMs will find a link to a bug tracker or stack overflow. It’s crazy how much worse Google search results are now than they used to be.

add-sub-mul-div1mo ago

Yes, Google search was good until they made it bad for profit and people still used it anyway because they'd lost the ability to do without it. We're in the era of being trained to rely on AI in the same way. If you think it will remain good, you haven't paid attention to the last ten years.

thfuran1mo ago

I don’t even think it’s good now. Sure, they’ll often give you a link. But sometimes they’ll just insist there definitely is a page that they’re pulling their made up info from but fail to provide a link, outright fabricate a link, or provide a reference that simply isn’t consistent with the purported summary. I’m sure the inevitable product placement won’t help matters.

atlasunshrugged1mo ago

This is basically the idea of enshittification popularized by Cory Doctorow right?

new_account_1001mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

randcraw1mo ago

> It’s crazy how much worse Google search results are now than they used to be.

I could not agree more. Each time I do a google search, I feel like I've stepped into a severe reality distortion field. The results are simply WORTHLESS. It's not just that the AI summary at the top answers the wrong question, but the sequence of hits thereafter wander off into the weeds almost immediately. I routinely have to constrain the search in multiple ways (time bounds, specific word rejection, etc) just to get one or two relevant hits.

Frankly, I think I'm going to have to MOVE AWAY FROM GOOGLE to a subscription-based search service just to get any useful search results again.

bigfishrunning1mo ago

> Frankly, I think I'm going to have to MOVE AWAY FROM GOOGLE to a subscription-based search service just to get any useful search results again.

I would absolutely do this, but the only subscription search service i know about is Kagi, which is a bit too AI-forward for my taste. I wish there was a way i could subscribe to "google but 2007 google but with updated results"

bigfishrunning1mo ago

If the AI results were so undeniably good, google would let me turn them off and let user preference prove it. I verify those AI results when i fail to avoid reading them, and they're wrong a shockingly high percent of the time.

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thfuran1mo ago· 6 in thread

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thfuran1mo ago

atlasunshrugged1mo ago

This is basically the idea of enshittification popularized by Cory Doctorow right?

new_account_1001mo ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguis...

randcraw1mo ago

> It’s crazy how much worse Google search results are now than they used to be.

Frankly, I think I'm going to have to MOVE AWAY FROM GOOGLE to a subscription-based search service just to get any useful search results again.

bigfishrunning1mo ago

> Frankly, I think I'm going to have to MOVE AWAY FROM GOOGLE to a subscription-based search service just to get any useful search results again.

bigfishrunning1mo ago

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