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0 pointsadrian_b1mo ago0 comments

I am old enough to have witnessed how the climate has completely changed in Europe, where I live.

In the same place where I live now, when I was young there was permanent snow cover for 3 to 4 months.

During the last 10 years, there have been years with no snow and in the others a little snow has been present for 3 or 4 days of a year, when it melted the second day after falling.

I have not used again my winter boots and my winter jackets for the last 15 years or more.

This is really a huge change during less than a human lifetime.

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john_alan1mo ago· 6 in thread

What you've said is emotionally compelling, but scientifically very weak. Personal recollection is selective and location-specific. You’ve described a memory, not established a mechanism.

What you perceive as change isn't macro, it's micro.

It doesn't mean macro change isn't happening, but it's not happening on our timescale.

I'm 50 FWIW.

koolala1mo ago

What are you considering 'macro' climate change to be then? The mechanism they described was warming climate.

jwilber1mo ago

You can paste this exact response under your other post, as well. Emotionally compelling, scientifically weak. Worth nothing.

But also, what you wrote is just wrong. There are plenty of measurable, significant, ood effects in the last few decades on the climate and its impact.

Here’s one study onglacier retreat over the last 20 years.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL09...

And here’s a paper on the effects of the mechanism:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-025-02282-5

I’m sure you’ll read them earnestly.

_fizz_buzz_1mo ago

Just look at any glaciar in the Alps (or almost anywhere in the world really). Over the last 50 years, your liftime, there have been enourmous changes.

watwut1mo ago

Meteoroligista says thw same thing. They have measurements, cause humanity was able to measure and record 30 years ago.

What has no value is to pretend it is not happening because ones favorite ideological movements said so.

nickserv1mo ago

> it's not happening on our timescale.

Talk to anyone over 30 and they'll tell you the climate has already changed.

Well anyone that doesn't have a political agenda or shares in ExxonMobil.

_fizz_buzz_1mo ago

Even ExxonMobil scientists came to the conclusion. They made an internal study in the 70s and it was actually incredibly solid: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

grey-area1mo ago

Better keep those winter clothes in case the current shuts down.

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8 comments · 2 top-level

john_alan1mo ago· 6 in thread

What you've said is emotionally compelling, but scientifically very weak. Personal recollection is selective and location-specific. You’ve described a memory, not established a mechanism.

What you perceive as change isn't macro, it's micro.

It doesn't mean macro change isn't happening, but it's not happening on our timescale.

I'm 50 FWIW.

koolala1mo ago

What are you considering 'macro' climate change to be then? The mechanism they described was warming climate.

jwilber1mo ago

You can paste this exact response under your other post, as well. Emotionally compelling, scientifically weak. Worth nothing.

But also, what you wrote is just wrong. There are plenty of measurable, significant, ood effects in the last few decades on the climate and its impact.

Here’s one study onglacier retreat over the last 20 years.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL09...

And here’s a paper on the effects of the mechanism:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-025-02282-5

I’m sure you’ll read them earnestly.

_fizz_buzz_1mo ago

Just look at any glaciar in the Alps (or almost anywhere in the world really). Over the last 50 years, your liftime, there have been enourmous changes.

watwut1mo ago

Meteoroligista says thw same thing. They have measurements, cause humanity was able to measure and record 30 years ago.

What has no value is to pretend it is not happening because ones favorite ideological movements said so.

nickserv1mo ago

> it's not happening on our timescale.

Talk to anyone over 30 and they'll tell you the climate has already changed.

Well anyone that doesn't have a political agenda or shares in ExxonMobil.

_fizz_buzz_1mo ago

Even ExxonMobil scientists came to the conclusion. They made an internal study in the 70s and it was actually incredibly solid: https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abk0063

grey-area1mo ago

Better keep those winter clothes in case the current shuts down.

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