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0 pointsLonestar144020h ago0 comments

Privacy has to be one goal among many in a reasonable society.

I am very glad to see this change, because phone-based Fraud is a plague on the Elderly and other vulnerable members of society. And an incredible annoyance even to a security conscious professional.

The guard against intrusive and oppressive government is the Bill of Rights, not some easy ability to get a phone number anonymously.

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fwipsy19h ago

The Bill of Rights was published over 200 years ago. It can't possibly anticipate the modern privacy landscape. We need to (and do) extrapolate from the intent of the Bill of Rights to cover modern technology. Protecting phone and internet traffic is an example of this, but no longer sufficient. The US is becoming a panopticon. The Fourth Amendment protection against wiretapping is insufficient when the government also collects so much metadata. If we cede every form of privacy not explicitly protected by the Bill of Rights, we will soon find that on their own they provide barely any privacy at all.

Hahaha who am I kidding, that ship has sailed. It's a lost cause.

Lonestar1440OP18h ago

I agree that we need better case law - downstream of better politicians and better judges - to apply the intent of the 4th to modern society.

And if you think we need a new ammendment to strengthen it, i'm in for that as well.

These are all real solutions

Making "Privacy" easier is not a real solution. The panopticon will get you whether you use a VPN or a burner or whatever.

The only solutions are political.

jancsika19h ago

> Privacy has to be one goal among many in a reasonable society.

I have to say, coming from "Lonestar1440" that implies quite the rebrand for Texas:

Texas: Just One Star Among Fifty Equals.

Edit: clarifications

Lonestar1440OP18h ago

It's a reference to Spaceballs, not the state fwiw

panny20h ago

Okay, but you're telling me kids that don't have a government ID can't have phones now, right?

trollbridge20h ago

Kids can get government IDs. In my state, it's free for anyone under the age of 17. It's also free for anyone who can provide adequate proof they can't afford the $15.

tomrod20h ago

And they pay for the time off work, the daycare required, the gas bill...

No fee is not equivalent to free.

tzs17h ago

What about people who can't afford the costs to get the documentation required in order to get the ID?

panny20h ago

You're missing a whole lot of points here.

1) They aren't legal adults.

2) Protecting the Boomers again, who had it better than their parents and their children. Why protect the future when we can coddle the past instead.

3) Absurdly, most of HN will die on the "government ID required to vote" hill, but this is just fine now...

Lonestar1440OP18h ago

Yes, I think that the phones of minors should be traceable back to their parents; who would provide their ID at the sale of the e-SIM.

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fwipsy19h ago

Hahaha who am I kidding, that ship has sailed. It's a lost cause.

Lonestar1440OP18h ago

I agree that we need better case law - downstream of better politicians and better judges - to apply the intent of the 4th to modern society.

And if you think we need a new ammendment to strengthen it, i'm in for that as well.

These are all real solutions

Making "Privacy" easier is not a real solution. The panopticon will get you whether you use a VPN or a burner or whatever.

The only solutions are political.

jancsika19h ago

> Privacy has to be one goal among many in a reasonable society.

I have to say, coming from "Lonestar1440" that implies quite the rebrand for Texas:

Texas: Just One Star Among Fifty Equals.

Edit: clarifications

Lonestar1440OP18h ago

It's a reference to Spaceballs, not the state fwiw

panny20h ago

Okay, but you're telling me kids that don't have a government ID can't have phones now, right?

trollbridge20h ago

Kids can get government IDs. In my state, it's free for anyone under the age of 17. It's also free for anyone who can provide adequate proof they can't afford the $15.

tomrod20h ago

And they pay for the time off work, the daycare required, the gas bill...

No fee is not equivalent to free.

tzs17h ago

What about people who can't afford the costs to get the documentation required in order to get the ID?

panny20h ago

You're missing a whole lot of points here.

1) They aren't legal adults.

2) Protecting the Boomers again, who had it better than their parents and their children. Why protect the future when we can coddle the past instead.

3) Absurdly, most of HN will die on the "government ID required to vote" hill, but this is just fine now...

Lonestar1440OP18h ago

Yes, I think that the phones of minors should be traceable back to their parents; who would provide their ID at the sale of the e-SIM.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse