Many decades ago when I was still young, I was bullied and reported it to the authorities, but they didn't care beyond giving the usual empty "be nice and get along" verbiage. Ended up fighting the bully and gave him a few deep bleeding cuts with my nails. I got in trouble for it, but he never dared to touch me again.

>Have you seen how much of a shithole France became due to street criminality and teenagers attacking people ?

Are you a time traveller from 1900?

https://libreo.ch/revues/sjsca/20232/sjsca-29-2023/sans-foi-...

Note that it was a time of widespread caning and death penalty...

> Have you seen how much of a shithole France became

No, how far away should I be to see that?

Why are western countries fucked up?

I would suspect that the vast majority of bullying ends when the victim is able to escape from the bully -- by changing schools, etc.

We hear about victims snapping and beating up their bullies because that makes a good story. How about victims who snap but then are beaten up (because the bullies are often bigger and more used to violence) even more? Probably much more common.

> The victim snaps, the bully gets beaten up

The unspoken rule is that the victim must only do hand-combat. They cannot use weapon in any way. If the victim uses weapon to defend themselves, they will be in the wrong.

Life is hard for victims. They are often bullied because they are weaker. And the only way out is to do hand-combat.

I would like to know your opinions on a better one, if you have one that doesn't require several sessions with a school psychologist (I had a school psychologist at my school and she didn't do anything meaningful about bullying).

This is the last resort punishment, so no, not necessarily. I'm surprised the last resort punishment isn't expulsion though, like it is in most places. I guess education is a right that can't be taken away?

> The only real way for a kid in school to stop being bullied is for him to challange or beat up his bully.

Why is this always painted as one individual victim having to fight/challenge their particular bully?

I remember a bunch of us kids spontaneously self-organizing in the fifth grade. After an older kid bullied a few kids at recess, a group of ten of us-- most of whom hadn't been bullied, but who obviously could be bullied-- suddenly realized we could walk over to him as a group.

He did a double take as we meandered over mumbling to each other about what our intentions were. When we got close, he then looked down nervously at his shoes. We didn't do or say anything to him. After about five seconds, we all dispersed.

I don't remember him bullying anyone after that.