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0 pointsdalyons1mo ago0 comments

It is true. most are much worse at being EVs than the toyota prime models. Toyotas were the top of the euro data on real world EV-only use. Every other manufacturer ranges from worse to hilariously worse. Toyotas are not over half of sales, so therefore "most" applies.

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jeffbee1mo ago· 2 in thread

You're making this outlandish claim so it is on you to name any currently or recently-marketed PHEV that can't reach highway speeds in EV mode, and to demonstrate that this constitutes "most" of the market or installed base.

dalyonsOP1mo ago

its been widely reported on.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2026/feb/18/plug-in-...

https://electrek.co/2026/02/19/biggest-study-yet-shows-plug-...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/oct/16/plug-in-...

the link to the underlying most recent fraunhofer study referred to by the first two seems broken sadly, so i cant get the breakdown by manufacturer anymore. But the data on aggregate is clear - on average the PHEVs cars out there today spend very little time on average in pure EV mode. If they did there would be more than ~20% reduction in emissions.

jeffbee1mo ago

You are not addressing the claim that PHEVs can't reach highway speeds on batteries. That is a ridiculous claim, and it is false. You will not be able to name even one PHEV on the market with this limitation, because they do not exist.

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