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0 pointsmunificent1mo ago0 comments

> I can't help but think that some of this heartbreak would have been avoidable, if only he possessed more of the Richard-Stallman-esque attitude that non-free software is inherently suspect and unethical.

I think that model works well when it comes to code, but I don't think the non-free software movement ever really figured out how to deal with services and data. Even if GitHub was completely 100% GPL Free Software... the user accounts and everyone's comment history and stuff lives on a database somewhere. The servers are running somewhere. That's where the community is.

Even if you could take GitHub and spin up your own fork running the exact same software, the community isn't there. The interactions aren't there, the history isn't. It's like building a clone of your childhood house and wondering why your young parents don't magically appear in it.

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JuniperMesos1mo ago

You're completely right. I care about the free software movement from an ethical/freedom-preserving perspective, and I do think that many facets of the movement are too grounded in the details of how personal computer software in the 80s and 90s worked, rather than in the question of how to import the user-freedom-perserving ethos to services and data.

The question of how to create free-software-mediated online communities that don't involve storing user identity and data in a company's private database is critical. The user database, and what can be built upon it, is the single biggest reason people do use Github despite its flaws.

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tardedmeme1mo ago

I don't think the community of GitHub matters as much as people keep saying here. I think each project has its own small number of developers, and getting all of them to move is much easier. It has a larger number of bug reporters and downloaders, who only interact with the project occasionally and are perfectly capable of doing the same thing anywhere else.