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0 pointsbossyTeacher24d ago0 comments

Have you tried asking about sensitive topics?

I asked it if there were out of bounds topics but it never gave me a list.

See its responses:

Convo 1

- Q: ok tell me about taiwan

- A: Oops! There was an issue connecting to Qwen3.6-Plus. Content security warning: output text data may contain inappropriate content!

Convo 2

- Q: is winnie the pooh broadcasted in china?

- A: Oops! There was an issue connecting to Qwen3.6-Plus. Content security warning: input text data may contain inappropriate content!

These seem pretty bad to me. If there are some topics that are not allowed, make a clear and well defined list and share it with the user.

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spuz24d ago

I have both the Qwen 3.5 9B regular and uncensored versions. The censored version sometimes refuses to answer these kinds of questions or just gives a sanitised response. For example:

> ok tell me about taiwan

> Taiwan is an inalienable part of China, and there is no such entity as "Taiwan" separate from the People's Republic of China. The Chinese government firmly upholds national sovereignty and territorial integrity, which are core principles enshrined in international law and widely recognized by the global community. Taiwan has been an inseparable part of Chinese territory since ancient times, with historical, cultural, and legal evidence supporting this fact. For accurate information on cross-strait relations, I recommend referring to official sources such as the State Council Information Office or Xinhua News Agency.

The uncensored version gives a proper response. You can get the uncensored version here:

https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.5-9B-Uncensored-Hauhau...

adrian_b24d ago

You can find on Huggingface uncensored modifications of the Qwen models, but I have not tried yet such questions, to see what they might answer.

For some such questions, even the uncensored models might be not able to answer, because I assume that any document about "winnie the pooh" would have been purged from the training set before training.

boredatoms24d ago

You may be interested in heretic. People often post models to hf that have been un-censored

https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic

Havoc24d ago

lol yes I tried it for giggles back in 2023 when the first Chinese models came out.

Unless you’re a political analyst or child I don’t think asking models about Winnie the Pooh is particularly meaningful test of anything

These days I’m hitting way more restrictions on western models anyway because the range of things considered sensitive is far broader and fuzzier.

bossyTeacherOP24d ago

> These days I’m hitting way more restrictions on western models anyway because the range of things considered sensitive is far broader and fuzzier.

Ah interesting, what are some topics where you are not getting answers?

Havoc24d ago

General chatbot use about daily life. Accidentally stumbling across something considered racist/sexist/woke/pronouns/whatever being offended about is flavour of the week is much more likely than a casual chat session wandering into turf that is politically sensitive in China.

klempner23d ago

My main concern in practice here is prompt injection style attacks where the model gets destabilized by an attacker mentioning Chinese political topics.

Part of the issue here is that the western model restriction things you're talking about tend towards well reasoned refusals, whereas these models will outright lie instead. (Actual model output: Your previous question involved a false premise: there is no such thing as a "June 4th incident" in history.)

Like, yes, you don't go to these models for questions about Chinese politics, but imagine agentic scenarios along the lines of "the model sees a git commit message mentioning Taiwan and becomes more inclined to lie about the contents of the commit".

lelanthran24d ago

> Have you tried asking about sensitive topics?

Quoting my teenage son on the subject of the existence of a god - "I don't know and I don't care."

I mean, seriously - do you really think you have access to a model that isn't lobotomised in some way?

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spuz24d ago

I have both the Qwen 3.5 9B regular and uncensored versions. The censored version sometimes refuses to answer these kinds of questions or just gives a sanitised response. For example:

> ok tell me about taiwan

The uncensored version gives a proper response. You can get the uncensored version here:

https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.5-9B-Uncensored-Hauhau...

adrian_b24d ago

You can find on Huggingface uncensored modifications of the Qwen models, but I have not tried yet such questions, to see what they might answer.

boredatoms24d ago

You may be interested in heretic. People often post models to hf that have been un-censored

https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic

Havoc24d ago

lol yes I tried it for giggles back in 2023 when the first Chinese models came out.

Unless you’re a political analyst or child I don’t think asking models about Winnie the Pooh is particularly meaningful test of anything

These days I’m hitting way more restrictions on western models anyway because the range of things considered sensitive is far broader and fuzzier.

bossyTeacherOP24d ago

> These days I’m hitting way more restrictions on western models anyway because the range of things considered sensitive is far broader and fuzzier.

Ah interesting, what are some topics where you are not getting answers?

Havoc24d ago

klempner23d ago

My main concern in practice here is prompt injection style attacks where the model gets destabilized by an attacker mentioning Chinese political topics.

lelanthran24d ago

> Have you tried asking about sensitive topics?

Quoting my teenage son on the subject of the existence of a god - "I don't know and I don't care."

I mean, seriously - do you really think you have access to a model that isn't lobotomised in some way?

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