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0 pointsconsumer45128d ago0 comments

Yes, showing the preponderance of evidence against your easily disproven argument is actually "my agenda." Great job on calling that out.

I grew up hunting. Like any other redneck, I fired a .308 at 13yrs old, and yes it knocked me to the ground, lol. Skinned a dear that same year. I just didn't choose to make guns my entire identity.

All I am stating is the obvious. The USA is a major firearms manufacturer and exporter.

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1515528d ago

It's not "disproven" - when an organization can buy a $30k machine and crank out high-quality firearms all day long, you can't do anything to stop it.

estearum28d ago

So why aren’t they doing that today? Pretty simple empirical question.

The answer is that it is in fact easier to just buy them in the US.

mothballed28d ago

I think it's still a relevant point. The point isn't necessarily that it's easier for cartels to make it themselves than to smuggle guns or divert them from military sources. It's that the cartels can easily replace smuggled guns with manufactured guns and their demand for them is inelastic enough at either price point it's unlikely to effect the access to cartels.

The more likely effect is it disproportionately stops normal Mexico citizens from obtaining "illegal" guns to protect themselves but the cartels still have them, making things even worse for the Mexican people.

estearum28d ago

Sure, they can also easily replace people. Guess we just shouldn't arrest them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

they can also easily replace labs, guess we shouldn't raid them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

they can also easily replace ... guess we shouldn't ...

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1515528d ago

How do you know "empirically" that they aren't? Who says that the US-sourced guns that they are tracing are even a substantial fraction of the overall guns in use? How can you prove empirically that the data provided by the notoriously-reliable and agenda-less Mexican government is accurate?

Mexico, 10 years ago: https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-cartel-gunsmiths/

Philippines, 13 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67PYuGQM9Fg

estearum28d ago

> Who says that the US-sourced guns that they are tracing are even a substantial fraction of the overall guns in use?

Statistics?

Believing your implication that homemade firearms or widespread and just don't show up in the seizure data is a little silly unless you can explain why this would be the case.

consumer451OP28d ago

All you have done is shown that you have no idea how difficult and time consuming machining is, vs. mass production.

1515528d ago

I know for a fact that mass methamphetamine and fentanyl synthesis is more technically-difficult, more time consuming, and more capital-intensive than mass-manufacture of firearms - but good luck pushing your "Iron River" narrative lmao.

consumer451OP28d ago

At the risk of setting off the flame war detector on this website, please explain to me why simple chemistry that can be done anywhere, is easier than setting up a mass-manufacturing factory.

I challenge you to explain to the exact relative differences.

Also, why did you bring up fentanyl? How is that related to the very well documented Iron River? Well, I suppose it actually is, as the USA's very well documented supply of guns to Mexican cartels helps them bring up fent into the USA. Yay! Sorry to interrupt your previous narrative. Please, go on king.

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1515528d ago

It's not "disproven" - when an organization can buy a $30k machine and crank out high-quality firearms all day long, you can't do anything to stop it.

estearum28d ago

So why aren’t they doing that today? Pretty simple empirical question.

The answer is that it is in fact easier to just buy them in the US.

mothballed28d ago

estearum28d ago

Sure, they can also easily replace people. Guess we just shouldn't arrest them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

they can also easily replace labs, guess we shouldn't raid them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

they can also easily replace ... guess we shouldn't ...

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1515528d ago

Mexico, 10 years ago: https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-cartel-gunsmiths/

Philippines, 13 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67PYuGQM9Fg

estearum28d ago

> Who says that the US-sourced guns that they are tracing are even a substantial fraction of the overall guns in use?

Statistics?

Believing your implication that homemade firearms or widespread and just don't show up in the seizure data is a little silly unless you can explain why this would be the case.

consumer451OP28d ago

All you have done is shown that you have no idea how difficult and time consuming machining is, vs. mass production.

1515528d ago

consumer451OP28d ago

At the risk of setting off the flame war detector on this website, please explain to me why simple chemistry that can be done anywhere, is easier than setting up a mass-manufacturing factory.

I challenge you to explain to the exact relative differences.

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