To claim "the ergonomics and the performance of not being integrated into Varnish are pretty bad" you would need to show some numbers. In my view, https://vinyl-cache.org/tutorials/tls_haproxy.html debunks the "ergonomics are bad" argument, because using TLS backends is literally no different than using non-TLS. On performance, the fundamentals have already been laid out in https://vinyl-cache.org/docs/trunk/phk/ssl.html - crypto being so expensive, that the additional I/O to copy in and out another process makes no difference.

But, again, if you have numbers, show them.

Thanks for the info, but I'm a bit confused, sorry.

The reason for hitch was that tls and caching are a different concern, and the current recommendation is to use haproxy, which also isnt integrated into varnish/vinyl.

But you say that the reason to migrate off hitch is that its not integrated?

But what happend to separation of concerns, then? Is the plan to integrate tls termination into vinyl? Is this a change of policy/outlook?

Thanks!

I initially read this as "we" being "Varnish Software", but maybe that was wrong.